[Admin-discuss] Installing lucid on carbon
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:20:02AM +0000, Cian Brennan wrote:
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:14:20AM +0000, Andrew Harford wrote:
Hi,
I think that after the big storage migration we should move the stuff on fast-storage to worf (faster-storage, if you like ;) ).
Once this is done there should be nothing at all left running on carbon, we can do a clean install to get rid of anything left over from the various things what ran there.
There's two reasons for this:
* If carbon is to stay as a 'development machine' then people are going want the newest development tools and libaries. Hardy isn't getting any younger. Unless carbon has software that we can't or won't run on the hardy boxes it doesn't make much sense to develop anything there.
* Eventually we will probably have to upgrade everything to lucid. Given that there will be no more features released on hardy I think it's unlikely that 'the admins of the future' will be happy to wait until 12.04 is stable to move away from hardy, so we may as well get an enviroment where we can test it out properly for a while.
I second this excellent recommendation, but advise that it be sent to admin-discuss.
Having looked more into this, lucid is not ready yet, but I think we should move to karmic, and keep carbon on the most recent ubuntu indefinatly. This is def a tradeoff in terms of stability and availablity but I think it makes sense in this case. a. -- Andrew Harford You do not just avoid the Suzuki Wagon R. You avoid it like you would avoid unprotected sex with an Ethiopian transvestite. --Jeremy Clarkson
Having looked more into this, lucid is not ready yet, but I think we should move to karmic, and keep carbon on the most recent ubuntu indefinatly. This is def a tradeoff in terms of stability and availablity but I think it makes sense in this case.
Yeah, sounds great, we should do it once /fast-storage is vacated. -Andrew
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 03:26:50AM +0000, Andrew Martin wrote:
Yeah, sounds great, we should do it .....
Are we moving carbon to 10.10? If so, how quickly? Has anyone used maverick? In the past some of the .10 releases have been "slightly less stable" than the .04 releases. a. -- Andrew Harford My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. --Maximus (Gladiator)
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:16:48AM +0100, Andrew Harford wrote:
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 03:26:50AM +0000, Andrew Martin wrote:
Yeah, sounds great, we should do it .....
Are we moving carbon to 10.10? If so, how quickly?
I was certainly under the impression that carbon was going to always be on the most recent ubuntu release, and that users could just put up with it (or use one of the 8.04 machines) if it was less stable. Cian
Has anyone used maverick? In the past some of the .10 releases have been "slightly less stable" than the .04 releases.
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-- Andrew Harford
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. --Maximus (Gladiator)
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:20:27AM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:16:48AM +0100, Andrew Harford wrote:
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 03:26:50AM +0000, Andrew Martin wrote:
Yeah, sounds great, we should do it .....
Are we moving carbon to 10.10? If so, how quickly?
I was certainly under the impression that carbon was going to always be on the most recent ubuntu release, and that users could just put up with it (or use one of the 8.04 machines) if it was less stable.
Aye, that was the plan. There's still a question of how quickly we move between releases. I'd be in favour of waiting at least one/two weeks after release until the usual collection of post-release fixes come out. Dunno if other people would like to see us wait longer. Regardless, these things still should happen on a case by case basis, there's no point in installing a new release just because it's out if we know there are still bugs that would affect us. -- Andrew Harford You talk about vengeance. Is vengeance going to bring your son back to you? Or my boy to me? --Don Vito Corleone
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:25, Andrew Harford <andrew.harford@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:20:27AM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:16:48AM +0100, Andrew Harford wrote:
On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 03:26:50AM +0000, Andrew Martin wrote:
Yeah, sounds great, we should do it .....
Are we moving carbon to 10.10? If so, how quickly?
I was certainly under the impression that carbon was going to always be on the most recent ubuntu release, and that users could just put up with it (or use one of the 8.04 machines) if it was less stable.
Aye, that was the plan.
There's still a question of how quickly we move between releases. I'd be in favour of waiting at least one/two weeks after release until the usual collection of post-release fixes come out. Dunno if other people would like to see us wait longer.
Regardless, these things still should happen on a case by case basis, there's no point in installing a new release just because it's out if we know there are still bugs that would affect us.
^^ This sounds like a very sensible way of handling it. No need to jump the gun but move to the newest release as soon as we have a general idea that it wont cause more harm than good. It seems to be generally better than 9.10 or so the lack of people bitching about it would indicate. I've only used the server version on a redbrick VM, upgraded from 10.04, no issue during or since installation.
-- Andrew Harford
You talk about vengeance. Is vengeance going to bring your son back to you? Or my boy to me? --Don Vito Corleone
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There's still a question of how quickly we move between releases. I'd be in favour of waiting at least one/two weeks after release until the usual collection of post-release fixes come out. Dunno if other people would like to see us wait longer.
Regardless, these things still should happen on a case by case basis, there's no point in installing a new release just because it's out if we know there are still bugs that would affect us.
^^ This sounds like a very sensible way of handling it. No need to jump the gun but move to the newest release as soon as we have a general idea that it wont cause more harm than good.
It seems to be generally better than 9.10 or so the lack of people bitching about it would indicate. I've only used the server version on a redbrick VM, upgraded from 10.04, no issue during or since installation.
Given the volume of bugs that are coming out of linux land these days, I'd be in favour of waiting a month or two. There's been a few vulnerabilities that have only affected 10.10 recently (Kat said there was a libpam one, etc) - this on top of the pile of holes that have affected everything. Also, do any of our packages need to be tested for 10.10? Upstart might kick up another tantrum or two, there's bound to be more stuff that's been moved over to that recently. -Andrew
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:09:23PM +0100, Andrew Martin wrote:
Also, do any of our packages need to be tested for 10.10? Upstart might kick up another tantrum or two, there's bound to be more stuff that's been moved over to that recently.
Testing is always good. I can't think of anything they'd change that would cause a huge problem. Easy enough to get a VM and try apt-get install the stuff and see what happens though. -- Andrew Harford Let's look at this thing from a... um, from a standpoint of status. What do we got on the spacecraft that's good? -- Gene Kranz (Apollo 13)
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:09:23PM +0100, Andrew Martin wrote:
Given the volume of bugs that are coming out of linux land these days, I'd be in favour of waiting a month or two. There's been a few vulnerabilities that have only affected 10.10 recently (Kat said there was a libpam one, etc) - this on top of the pile of holes that have affected everything.
Also, do any of our packages need to be tested for 10.10? Upstart might kick up another tantrum or two, there's bound to be more stuff that's been moved over to that recently.
-Andrew
I would agree that allowing a week or two to allow things to "settle down" a bit. There always seems to be a slew of threads on the ubuntu forums about bugs within the first few weeks of a release. I don't think anyone is in dire need of the latest release of ubuntu right away anyway, so it would probably be prudent to hold off a little while. Seamus
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:22:59PM +0100, Seamus Ronan wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 01:09:23PM +0100, Andrew Martin wrote:
Given the volume of bugs that are coming out of linux land these days, I'd be in favour of waiting a month or two. There's been a few vulnerabilities that have only affected 10.10 recently (Kat said there was a libpam one, etc) - this on top of the pile of holes that have affected everything.
Also, do any of our packages need to be tested for 10.10? Upstart might kick up another tantrum or two, there's bound to be more stuff that's been moved over to that recently.
-Andrew
I would agree that allowing a week or two to allow things to "settle down" a bit. There always seems to be a slew of threads on the ubuntu forums about bugs within the first few weeks of a release. I don't think anyone is in dire need of the latest release of ubuntu right away anyway, so it would probably be prudent to hold off a little while.
I think this seems to be the general consensus on this, and I also agree on it. Hold off for a week/two and then upgrade. We could probably do it, if we think it's ready to go, when we're having downtime anyway. Austin
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