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[Antisellafield] Urgent Assistance
by Johnson Mowete 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

TEL:+31-641-229-662 CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me personally. The purpose of my introduction is that I am Johnson Mowete the first son of Frank Mowete ,a farmer in Zimbabwe who was recently murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contact from the network online hence decided to write you. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US8.5 million (Eight million, Five Hundred thousand United States dollars), in one of the private security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe this money was deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from security company. This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which my father was one of the victims.It is against this background that, I and my family fled Zimbabwe for fear of our lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands where we are seeking political asylum and moreso have decided to transfer my father's money to a more reliable foreign account. since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the territorial zone of Netherlands, As the eldest son of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with them. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of South Africa for fear of going through the same experience in future, both countries have similar political history. As a businessman,I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want you to do for me, is to make an arrangements with the security company to clear the consignment(funds) from their afiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have already given directives for the consignment to be brought to the Netherlands from South Africa.But before then all modalities will have to be put in place like change of ownership to the consignment and more importantly this money I intend to use for investment. I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction. Or you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to notify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this transaction.If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 10% of the money while the remaining 85% will be for my investment in your country. Contact me with the above telephone number and E-mail address, while I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU Yours Faithfully Johnson

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[Antisellafield] RE: Forum on Europe
by Elaine.Byrne 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

But on the other hand, the 'Four of Us' are playing in Dolans on Friday night........ -----Original Message----- From: Edward Horgan [mailto:edward_horgan@hotmail.com] Sent: 15 January 2002 11:48 To: elaine.byrne(a)ul.ie; slack(a)redbrick.dcu.ie; victoria.firmo-fontan(a)ul.ie; alom(a)eircom.net; gluaiseacht(a)topica.com; antisellafield(a)prodigy.redbrick.dcu.ie; global_irl(a)yahoogroups.com; limerickforchange(a)topica.com Subject: Forum on Europe Apologies if you get this twice. Of course you could always read it twice! Ed. To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Government's behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a 'them and us', the 'West against the Rest', the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection - PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less 'presidential dictats' from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earth's resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in 'the Rest'. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in 'Ivory Fortresses', who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I don't think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Government's behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a 'them and us', the 'West against the Rest', the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection - PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less 'presidential dictats' from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earth's resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in 'the Rest'. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in 'Ivory Fortresses', who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I don't think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Government's behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a 'them and us', the 'West against the Rest', the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection - PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less 'presidential dictats' from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earth's resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in 'the Rest'. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in 'Ivory Fortresses', who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I don't think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Government's behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a 'them and us', the 'West against the Rest', the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection - PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less 'presidential dictats' from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earth's resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in 'the Rest'. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in 'Ivory Fortresses', who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I don't think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Government's behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a 'them and us', the 'West against the Rest', the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection - PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less 'presidential dictats' from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earth's resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in 'the Rest'. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in 'Ivory Fortresses', who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I don't think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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[Antisellafield] Forum on Europe
by Edward Horgan 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Apologies if you get this twice. Of course you could always read it twice! Ed. To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Governments behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a them and us, the West against the Rest, the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less presidential dictats from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earths resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in the Rest. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in Ivory Fortresses, who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I dont think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Governments behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a them and us, the West against the Rest, the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less presidential dictats from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earths resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in the Rest. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in Ivory Fortresses, who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I dont think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Governments behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a them and us, the West against the Rest, the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less presidential dictats from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earths resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in the Rest. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in Ivory Fortresses, who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I dont think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Governments behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a them and us, the West against the Rest, the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less presidential dictats from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earths resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in the Rest. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in Ivory Fortresses, who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I dont think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan To: All those who value democracy Re: National Forum on Forum Dear people of this one world, The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick on Friday January 18th. In view of the importance of this forum and the relative lack of debate on the issue of a possible second Nice Treaty Referendum, it is essential that as many people as possible should attend as give their views as members of the audience. The main panel will consist of all the usual YES to Nice suspects, who will presumably tell us what we should think of Europe. Well to whom it may concern, if anybody out there is listening, the following are the views of Edward Horgan on Europe. The National Forum and Plan B for Europe The National Forum on Europe is coming to Limerick City Hall, on Friday, January 18th at 8pm. This is only a token road show by virtue of the fact that only six towns outside of Dublin are being visited. Because democracy in Ireland is so limited at local or regional level, this rare opportunity to have our voices heard on national and European matters should be availed of by as many people from the Mid West as possible. This session of the Forum is open to the public, so it is essential that there is a large turnout to voice the opinions of the people, or to support those who do have something to say, on how we believe that Europe should develop. Unfortunately, the Forum is being boycotted the Fine Gael party, and the primary participants are the other political parties in the Dail, with only limited representation allowed to the many other groups who successfully fought, and rejected, the Nice Treaty Referendum in June 2001. In spite of these limitations, the Forum has been very well chaired so far by Senator Maurice Hayes. First, I should declare my interest, I campaigned against the Nice Treaty in 2001, and will be campaigning against it again whenever it is forced upon us in another referendum. Many have argued, that it is undemocratic on the Governments behalf to force through a second Referendum in so short a time after the Irish people have made their decision. The argument that less than 40% of the people voted in the June 2001 Referendum is a bogus argument. That Referendum was very well publicised, so all the electorate had the opportunity to vote, but over 60% of them availed of their democratic right not to vote. Freedom is an essential prerequisite of democracy, but some commentators have even suggested that voting should be made compulsory. Should we also be compelled to vote against our own choice of candidates? Such practices have been common in non-democratic regimes. Given that a second Nice Treaty Referendum is likely in September 2002, the electorate should be informed of the choices they must make. Those who campaigned for a NO vote last time round were branded, leftist pinko anarchists, before the vote, and the electorate were branded as undereducated fools after the Referendum. We have been assured by esteemed political commentators that, with proper re-education, the electorate must surely get it right next time around. Chairman Mao Tse Tung would be pleased. His Cultural Revolution was based on such concepts. The Irish Commissioner in Brussels, Mr. Byrne, even has the cheek to publicly admit that the European Union had NO PLAN B, in the event of the Irish people rejecting Nice second time around. Well, I have news for the EU Commission, and for Commissioner Byrne; there is a PLAN B, and the Irish democratic electorate, who are one of the most astute electorates in Europe, should present this PLAN B to Europe when they say NO for a second time. First, the vast majority of the Irish people are not anti-European nor against the European Union. But they are against the current direction that they see the European Project taking, that is, the creation of an exclusive, European superpower, with its own Euro Army, and Euro Police to enforce a Fortress Europe. It will become a them and us, the West against the Rest, the contrived Clash of Civilizations, that is being touted by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. War is being waged in our name against innocent people in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The vast majority of the Irish people rejected those who waged war in Northern Ireland in our name and we reject those who claim to wage war on behalf of so-called Western Civilization. We also reject global terrorism, from all sources, just as we rejected Irish terrorism. Because of our history of immigration, missionary and aid work in the third or majority world, and United Nations peace-keeping, the Irish people have an unusually broad global view of humanity and have a much better understanding of International Relations than many of our European neighbours. We are not the un-travelled, under-educated fools that the unholy alliance that advocated Yes for Nice last time around, claimed that we were. This alliance included the Church, the state, the main political parties, the unions, all business interests, all the so-called social partners. They all got it wrong. Nice Treaty No. 2. Referendum Rejection PLAN B, should be as follows. First on the positive side, the Irish electorate support the following: 1. Yes to economic integration of Europe, including the Euro, which makes a whole lot of sense. 2. Yes to the broadening of democratic political integration, where the voices of the people of Europe can be heard and acted upon. This is urgently needed, but nowhere near being achieved. We need more democracy and less presidential dictats from European Councils and Commissions, or from Dublin. 3. Yes to inclusive expansion of Europe, for the benefit of humanity and not just for the elite of Western Europe, is a vital ingredient for global peace. 4. Yes to a multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe which is the only safe Europe in the long-term. 5. Yes to a Europe that supports sustainable development in all regions of the world. 6. Yes to a Europe that promotes safe renewable energy that does not destroy the environment. 7. Yes to a Europe that supports a reformed and truly representative United Nations as the only overseer of global collective security, backed up by a just and wise system of international law. 8. Yes to regional security organisations such as the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe), and OAU (Organisation of African Unity) which should be strengthened but placed under clear United Nations control. 9. Yes to a positive Irish Neutrality which promotes global peace, justice, and an immediate withdrawal of Irish Defence Forces involvement with the NATO alliance and the European Rapid Reaction Force (ERRF). 10. Yes to the inclusion of a Protocol exempting Ireland from membership of the ERRF. On the negative side, the Irish electorate must tell Europe that the following are not acceptable by saying no to the following: 1. No to the concept of an exclusive superior European Christian super-state. 2. No to deepening of political integration, including the ceding of sovereignty, authority, and democracy, up to central autocratic political structures effectively controlled by the Germany, France and Britain. 3. No to a European police state, that excludes genuine refugees and justified economic migrants, while exploiting cheap (almost slave) labour, from and in, the majority other world outside Europe. Fortress Europe must be dismantled. 4. No to those who say that Ireland should join nuclear military alliances such as NATO and the European Rapid Reaction Force, and no the proliferation of Nuclear weapons, star wars, and gross over-expenditure on weapons systems that destabilise the world and threaten the future of humankind. 5. No to the use of Shannon airport to make war on innocent people in our name. 6. No to the gross over-exploitation of the earths resources for the benefit of the few elite in the West and at the expense of the many in the Rest. 7. No to nuclear power, and the unsustainable exploitation of carbon fuels including peat power stations. NO, NO, NO, to Sellafield. 8. The Irish electorate must continue to say no to all those who think that they are too stupid to understand politics and to those in Ivory Fortresses, who thing that only they know what is best for the rest of us. These are not simple concepts, but they are vital for the future of all Europeans and the future of all humanity. Twice in the last century, Europe was militarised, mobilised and polarised, and then laid to waste in two World Wars. Now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century, we are about to allow the same type of circumstances to develop. By a fluke of our history, the Irish people are the only electorate in all of Europe who are allowed to have a say in the future of Europe. All the other fourteen governments did not trust their people to carry out the wishes of their political elites. We owe it to ourselves and also to the people of the other fourteen EU countries to call a halt to this Euro Superstate, and to develop a Europe of the people, for us, the people. Most of all we owe it to the people outside the present EU, to create an inclusive Europe that will not exploit and threaten them with false promised of MAD nuclear security. Is this all too complicate for you, the people, to understand? I dont think so. Please come along to the National Forum on Europe at 8pm this Friday, in the City Hall, Limerick, and tell Europe what you want. Final message to Dublin and Europe: For gods sake listen. Edward Horgan _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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[Antisellafield] travelling to sellafield
by barry odonovan 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

hi all, greetings from brussels. all is very quiet here at present, will let you know if that changes. I was wondering, would it be possible to arrange busses from different parts of the country for wednesday? is there space on ferries? a bus from s/w, could take a route allowing it to pick people up along the way. kerry -> cork -> kilkenny -> carlow -> dublin, or from the west, galway -> sligo -> athlone -> dublin, etc or whatever works. These buses should be organised locally I guess, with ferries done centrally. Could we get another bus on tuesday from another part of country? nancy, eoin, i don't know story for place to stay/chill out over there, but maybe contact tom robinson(on people list), he's quite local to the area and offered last time if we needed it. looking like it's coming together, hope things are going well for ye. ciao, barry ps has the come.to/sellafield site gone public? maybe someone wants to update the to-do lists and bring them up to date. I'll forward anything I do for it for uploading. we're going to do flyers here, particularly for british people, but not just. Is there anything particular that should be on them? -- _______________________________________________ Get your email from http://www.ireland.com

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[Antisellafield] Carols against Sellafield
by gerald GLYNN 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

Yo Ho Ho, Sellafielders! why not keep up with the Galway Kru and sing Christmas Carols for raising ca$h for next weeks trip. It's fun, effective, jolly and gets you in the spirit of thingz. Attached is lyrics i put together of Carols you can sing :download Christmas_Carols.doc Santa's Cruzin , so don't be Loosin OUT, get out & shout! le ngrá, g3R@[d~ >G.E.R.A.L.D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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[Antisellafield] Fw: Hi from PCAH!
by barry odonovan 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

-----Original Message----- From: "jplested" <jplested(a)ic24.net> Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:16:53 -0000 To: <caswell(a)indigo.ie>, <fgod(a)ireland.com>, <greenireland(a)yahoogroups.com> Subject: Hi from PCAH! Hello to everyone from PCAH - Parents Concerned About Hinkley. We're a = bunch of 'downwinders' from the Hinkley stations in the Bristol Channel. = We're based in Burnham-on-Sea in Somerset. Local cancer rates and = results from the Tooth Fairy studies show there's real grounds for = worry. And they want to build a load more nukes in the Channel... We heard of you via Stop Hinkley. We're really encouraged by your = response to that monstrosity Sellafield and are signing up to the = newsletter. Latest we heard was that a terrorist attack on the MOX = plant could be equivalent to 100 Chernobyls, never mind all the other = problems... Our government makes us cringe. It would be good to have contact with similar groups in the Irish = Republic as well as Britain. If any of you know of any community/local = campaigning groups such as ours maybe we could 'twin', share tips, feel = a sense of solidarity, etc. I attach some stuff about PCAH in case anyone is interested. Best wishes from Julian on behalf of the PCAH Committee. -- _______________________________________________ Get your email from http://www.ireland.com

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[Antisellafield] COMING TO SHUT DOWN SELLAFIELD?
by barry odonovan 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

hi all, BNFLs' new MOX plant at Sellafield in cumbria in the north of england is due to be contaminated on the 20th of December. Following on from our protest there last month, Gluaiseacht et al are returning to the sellafield area before this date in order to meet local people including BNFL employees and their families and neighbours, to express our opposition to the commisioning of this plant which once started will be a minimum of 40 years before decontamination can begin, and to attempt if possible to stop this expansion of the sellafield nuclear wasteground into a new century. This plant should not be allowed, the internaional tribunal ruled that it has not yet been proven harmful so we must await a disaster for sense to be followed. We are hoping that a large and varied group can join us on this trip so if you know anyone who might have an interest in this issue please forward this mail to them(or to your whole address book ;-), or talk to them and tell them about this. Please sign up for the SHUT DOWN SELLAFIELD newsletter/announcement list. this wil be low volume, the first message of which will contain a link to a discussion list for those interested in getting active. Click to subscribe to shutdownsellafield newsletter à http://groups.yahoo.com/img/ui/join.gif If the above line does not show up as a link then please sent a blank email(no subject,no text) to: shutdownsellafield-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com just cut and paste into the To: line of a new message. We are also trying to develop ideas for actions which can be carried out from at home e.g. an awareness christmas card to BNFL workers/management/tony blair. events at embassies, businesses, state visits, etc. We are gathering signatures calling for EU action on the threat to EU citizens, if you can help out please get in touch. As we would hope to have hundreds of people traveling for the 20th, fundraising will be an important component. To this end we have sponsorship cards, will be doing fundraising gigs and are looking for other ideas. There are also the usual protest issues: - slogans, banners, placards, songs... anyone feeling creative will be greatly appreciated. For this issue however there's a whole new aspect to be considered, those who currently work for BNFL must not be left behind in the drive to end nuclear activities, it is the major employer in the region and if their futures can be assured, then we will possibly have their support in the call to SHUT DOWN SELLAFIELD. We also feel that it is necessary to develop media awareness of this campaign, that it is grassroots level, non(party)political, so any thoughts on media stunts/events, know any good journos, want to do a press campaign? As well as all the above this has to spread out beyond Ireland, if you know people in british, french Scandinavian, carribean,, global eco/interested groups, please pass this on to them or put us onto them If you're against the new MOX facility or the whole concept of sellafield and nuclear fission, then come with us, if you can't come with us then help organise, and carry out some events here at home and most of all please pass this on to someone else who may get involved. ciao, barry o'donovan fgod(a)ireland.com 087-2320437 -- _______________________________________________ Get your email from http://www.ireland.com

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[Antisellafield] Fw: [no-sanctions] Fwd: Fw: Virus Alert/from Hashim al amidi
by barry odonovan 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

-----Original Message----- From: hashim al <halamidi(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:19:04 -0800 (PST) To: no-sanctions(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: [no-sanctions] Fwd: Fw: Virus Alert/from Hashim al amidi Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Campaign to End Iraq Sanctions - Ireland Website: http://www.endiraqsanctions.net; email: info(a)endiraqsanction.net To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: no-sanctions-unsubscribe(a)egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- _______________________________________________ Get your email from http://www.ireland.com

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[Antisellafield] SELLAFIELD LETTER
by barry odonovan 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hi all, the attached letter is one which is being sent to media and other groups mainly in ireland by gluaiseacht. If you know of others who would be interested in this, local media(globally), international media, action groups, mailing lists, governments, individuals, etc. please forward it(include gluaiseacht(a)ireland.com as a cc on the mail please) to them. ciao, barry o'donovan fgod(a)ireland.com newsletter/announcements: shutdownsellafield-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com p.s. an open meeting has been organised in limerick for tue. 4th dec. in halla ide at 8pm. this will cover the campaign so far, the international tribunal decision and where we go next. if you are in the limerick area please come along. if not would you like to organise something similar in your locality(reply this address). It's time to step this issue up a lot, get people involved and SHUT DOWN SELLAFIELD. ---------------------------------------- text follows: ---------------------------------------- Limerick 28/11/2001 A Chara, Gluaiseacht for Global Justice is an Environmental and Social Justice Group that has developed from the Environmental and Social (One World) Societies in third level colleges throughout the country. We now have groups in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Belfast, Galway, Athlone, Sligo, Kerry and other areas in Ireland. Gluaiseacht are actively campaigning in both Ireland and in the UK for the cessation of all nuclear activities at the Sellafield facility in Cumbria on the west coast of the UK. 50 of us travelled to Sellafield last Friday 23rd November to demonstrate our views at both the North Gate and Main Gate of Sellafield and also in the local town of Whitehaven. We met representatives of CORE (Cumbrians Opposed to a Radioactive Environment) who dispelled any doubts people had about the viability of the facility. Over 11,000 people are employed there and the local economy has become utterly dependant on BNFL, there will be a large workforce necessary for many years to decommission Sellafield, but many other options will be needed. Given the urgency of the situation with regard to the MOX facility we feel that innovative international consensus action is needed to make a priority of the call to SHUT DOWN SELLAFIELD. Gluaiseacht intend to return to the Sellafield region in advance of the scheduled contamination of the MOX facility on the 20th December. During this visit it is our intention to meet as many of the local population as possible, both BNFL employees and others in the region to express our alarm and to illustrate non-nuclear options for the future. We would invite you to join us. The operation of the Sellafield facility has had terrible consequences for a large number of people, and poses an extremely grave threat to the lives and safety of huge numbers more, both regionally and globally. Lets work together to end it. Yours Sincerely, Barry ODonovan, Nancy L. Serano Gluaiseacht for Global Justice, Email: gluaiseacht(a)ireland.com Web: http://www.gluiseacht.org C/O Clubs & Societies Office, University of Limerick, Limerick. PH: 086 3096791 -- _______________________________________________ Get your email from http://www.ireland.com

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[Antisellafield] Bad news on Irish case
by clare butler 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

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