Hello there I'm happy for Martin to use whatever logo he feels is best for the sponsorship brochure, as long as it represents the society well and looks well...and we can make a final decision over the summer when we've all had a think about it. I will say that I really don't like the new designs that were in the word doc sent to us, they just seem too messy and trying to fit too many bits into the one logo. I'm just looking at this from the website perspective, so the logos I like are the ones I feel are strong enough to use as an anchor for the design of the site. Have a look at http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/style_guide/logos/macromedia/ They've got a company name, but then a motif in the M above the text. I'm not saying we want to project a corporate image, that's the last thing I want, but a logo should have something like the M, or a Star, a big red brick, or a unique style of text, or something that people will instantly recognise as being part of the logo, even if the text isn't present. That's what I'd like to work with for the site, something strong, simple, that I can work into a design for the site. A grey square is not a logo, it's a grey square...you take away the writing and nobody will ever know what they're looking at. The final logo needs to be clean and vector based (Illustrator or Flash, not Photoshop) for printing. I worked with a logo designer guy once, and he'd literally go through hundreds of designs...and not everybody would be happy....ever...so we're probably just going to have to go with one, eventually...and have some people unhappy. They're my two cents...I understand that everybody is going to have different opinions, but the final logo should at the very least actually BE a logo..not a graphic that we'll have to re-design when it comes to printing. Think simple, clear, with a unique motif that people will recognise....so no swirly shit or plain squares. We can add a square background to any design we come up with...the LOGO needs to stand on its own. Anyway, good luck. Talk to you later. Paul p a u l m a y www.paulmay.org