December 2000 - minds-disaster@lists.redbrick.dcu.ie

[Minds-disaster] Happy X-mas one and all
by Bart Busschots 22 Dec '00

22 Dec '00

Hi all, I'm off home to Belgium this after noon so I won't be about for a few weeks. I've started work on my letter of support for MiNDS> and I'll post it here for suggestions when I'm done. In the mean time I hope sargon fared well yesterday at the hearing. I'll end by wishing you all a great holiday, happy Christmas and I'll see you all in the new year. Bart. __________________________ Bart Busschots bart.busschots(a)physics.org

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Re: [Minds-disaster] stuff
by David Bolger 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

You wrote... >hear the rest). Sargon chucked out, everybody starts >writing letters of apology to all parties involved. >(Did those letters get sent?) Letters were sent to all concerned at the University, the good people at the Dept of Finance, the HEANet, and the Tainiste for good measure since she's my TD anyway. Wish me luck with my disiplinary committee meeting tomorrow, tho by the time most of you read this it'll either be well underway or over and done with...:\ -- Comrade Dave -- http://www.iol.ie

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[Minds-disaster] stuff
by andy fatbastard 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

>It's all about > reducing work they have to do ... Exactly! The CC probably know diddly about what actually happened. It should say: 1. SU wanted mail bombing. 2. Darragh: "how many?" Siobhan: "As many as possible!" Darragh: "Is 50,000 enough?" Siobhan: "As many as possible!" 3. Darragh writes script for 5000 mails, gives it to others. Sargon adds 0's on the end, minds crashes. 4. Minds booted up again, script starts again unbeknownst to us. 5. Darragh offers resignation at AGM, we out of ignorance do not accept. 6. Tuesday, someone realises that script is still running, kills it. 7. Wednesday, CC gets letter, tells JC to shut down minds, we have emergency meeting, Darragh resigns (best to put it to them this way, they don't need to hear the rest). Sargon chucked out, everybody starts writing letters of apology to all parties involved. (Did those letters get sent?) 8. We set about proving to the CC that Minds is a good thing, and that it's members are willing to do whatever is necessary to make sure that nothing like this happens again, and prepare this document. This is obviously off the top of my head, names dates and facts will need changing, should I get a copy of minutes and write the thing? ===== _________________________________________________________________ Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries! _________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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[Minds-disaster] response to Dave that got sent via personal mail ...
by Cian 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

----- Forwarded message from Cian <pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> ----- From: Cian <pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> To: David Barrett <mindschair(a)eircom.net> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:54:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [Minds-disaster] Letter to front Computer Center document Organization: My Own Private Hideyhole, Inc. [ David Barrett ] > I wouldn't say it's obsequious. > Okay, but I think it puts forward the wrong impression. Btw, is this supposed to be on the list or do you want to keep it to personal mail? > It is as related as the letter from the Societies officer, Cian... perhaps a > document describing the Nervecenter concept in a more abstract way would be > a better idea; but I think that it is an illustration of how important we > are to other Clubs and Socs. > It's not really in the same leage as the Societies Officer's letter, I think. Doesn't this belong in the "Future" section of the past, present and future document? It _is_ important to show them what we do, of course, but isn't this contact about the incident? > The thing IS... what do we put in such a document? An analysis of the system > logs? The exact number of emails sent? > No, not at all. A description of exactly what the first perl script did, why it was written, what the modified script did, the time at which it was run, what happened then (we noticed and shut it down ..), the subsequent organisation and disciplinary actions taken, the mailing list, us putting together this package. I don't think that the minutes would convey as much information that the Centre will be interested in. This would make it obvious that we've done our own investigation and that we know exactly what happened. It's all about reducing work they have to do ... > Bart: What is it James has told me, is it all true? Aidan, what knoweth you? > Aidan: Know me what? > Bart: The system, the system hath it's plug rightly pulled. > Aidan: Blimey. The foul manure has royally hit the rotating-air-circulation > device > :o) > VERY blunt indeed Cian. > Well, I'm sure you'd rather my honest opinion and constructive criticism than a pile of longwinded diplomacy. ;o) > PPF document? > Past, Present, Future doc by yourself & Meaigs. How did that shape up, btw? Cian -- "there is nothing wrong /* Cian with emulating a man ** I need to sleep. Let me sleep. who has a nice beard" */ while(student); ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "there is nothing wrong /* Cian with emulating a man ** I need to sleep. Let me sleep. who has a nice beard" */ while(student);

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Letter to front Computer Center document
by David Barrett 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

Cian <pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: >[ David Barrett ] >> I wouldn't say it's obsequious. > Okay, but I think it puts forward the wrong impression. > Btw, is this supposed to be on the list or do you want to keep it to personal > mail? List... erk! >> It is as related as the letter from the Societies officer, Cian... perhaps a >> document describing the Nervecenter concept in a more abstract way would be >> a better idea; but I think that it is an illustration of how important we >> are to other Clubs and Socs. >> > It's not really in the same leage as the Societies Officer's letter, I think. > Doesn't this belong in the "Future" section of the past, present and future > document? It _is_ important to show them what we do, of course, but isn't this > contact about the incident? This was thought up not to show that we dealt with the incident well, but our worth to college and how we were not a security hole. >> The thing IS... what do we put in such a document? An analysis of the system >> logs? The exact number of emails sent? > No, not at all. I was reaching. > A description of exactly what the first perl script did, why > it was written, what the modified script did, the time at which it was run, > what happened then (we noticed and shut it down ..), the subsequent organisation > and disciplinary actions taken, the mailing list, us putting together this > package. I don't think that the minutes would convey as much information that > the Centre will be interested in. This would make it obvious that we've done > our own investigation and that we know exactly what happened. It's all about > reducing work they have to do ... Fair point... however, if we want to show that we did a proper investigation, wouldn't we need to at least give a *rough* idea of how many emails were sent? >> PPF document? >> > Past, Present, Future doc by yourself & Meaigs. How did that shape up, btw? Gotcha... still working on my part, gotta have it done by 1pm :) David

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[Minds-disaster] Sent as email to Cian by mistake
by David Barrett 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

Cian <pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: > > The letter to front this all is here... comments/corrections post to the list > I don't really like the letter, in form or in content. It's more obsequious than > we really need to be, and doesn't look all that professional. I wouldn't say it's obsequious. > Plus, there are > some things in the list of attached documents that I would question. The > nervecentre proposal seems sort of out-of-place - it's not really related to the > current problems we face. It is as related as the letter from the Societies officer, Cian... perhaps a document describing the Nervecenter concept in a more abstract way would be a better idea; but I think that it is an illustration of how important we are to other Clubs and Socs. > Also, a much better document to attach than the > minutes of that meeting would be a description of exactly what happened, from > 'm-day' up 'till now. While such a document would include some details of that > meeting, it would be more directly relevant and more in the line of what the > CC will really be interested in. More work, I know, and some wasted effort so > far, but getting the very best out of all this is very important. The thing IS... what do we put in such a document? An analysis of the system logs? The exact number of emails sent? The minutes seem like a better idea to me; or, as most minutes do seem to lack the force of argument, reworded ones. Of course, we can't go out of our way to give it emotion, oh no... Bart: What is it James has told me, is it all true? Aidan, what knoweth you? Aidan: Know me what? Bart: The system, the system hath it's plug rightly pulled. Aidan: Blimey. The foul manure has royally hit the rotating-air-circulation device > By the way, I'm sure you realise that I'm not out to offend, I'm just > dangerously blunt and to the point when something I care about is threatened. > :o) VERY blunt indeed Cian. > I realise it's more terse than the previous one, and doesn't mention some of > the things the other did, but I think a lot of that can be offloaded to the > PPF document, my security docs, and a full report on the DoS. PPF document? David

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[Minds-disaster] Letter to front Computer Center document
by David Barrett 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

The letter to front this all is here... comments/corrections post to the list -------------------------------------------------------------------- To whom it may concern, This document is a look at Minds, the Net Society of NUI Maynooth, in the past, present and where we plan to go in the future [1]. As you will read, the society's machine is well secured [2], though can be secured even further by a different network configuration [3]. The society has provided well for other Clubs and Societies of Maynooth [4], and will provide even more services if we are allowed to offer them [5]. It should be clear that the society is an asset to the college and the students in it; and that Minds, though secure already, can be made even more so. I would also like to make it clear that internal disciplinary action has been taken against David Bolger (sargon) and his access rights to the system have been removed. Darragh Sherwin has resigned from his position as Chairperson "for the benefit of the society and the members". [See 6] Document Contents: [1] Minds::Past, Present and Future -- Margaret McGaley and David Barrett [2] Security Report for Maynooth Networking & Development Society -- Cian Synnott [3] Proposal for Network Policy for Maynooth Networking & Development Society -- Cian Synnott [4] Letter from the Societies Officer, SU -- Bart Busschots [5] Nervecenter Proposal -- David Barrett [6] Minutes of Disaster Meetings -- Fiachra Matthews [7] The Committee of Minds Please read over these carefully; and I would appreciate a reply as soon as possible. Regards, _________________________ David Barrett, President

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Sunday Mirror article
by David Bolger 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

You wrote... >Wow. Heh, how does it feel to be a mildly famous hacker, sargon? ;o) >It's amazing how ill-informed the press are ... Yeah, now I'm the 1337est h4)(0r this side of the Atlantic. Or maybe not. -- Comrade Dave -- http://www.iol.ie

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Letter to front Computer Center document
by David Barrett 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

The Geek Goddess of Love <afrodite(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: > I don't think you should call it "the Net Society" You think I should call it "The Networking and Development" society, yes? Sorry, but I didn't get that at first... next time, can you tell me :) David

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Re: [Minds-disaster] MOD
by Phil Brennan 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

Quake3 source code is out, I reckon we go for that. >From: SU Webmaster <su.webmaster(a)may.ie> >To: minds-disaster(a)redbrick.dcu.ie >Subject: Re: [Minds-disaster] MOD >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:20:35 +0000 > >At 13:16 19/12/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Anyone want to make a MOD as a Minds project? Not using the Comp Sci >computers though, at least not to play the game. > > > >Half-Life/Q3/UT? > > > >David > > > >Quake3 Arena! >It'd be great! >Make a mod of maynooth! >;) > >Murf.....q3 fan! > > >==================================================== > | >Damian Murphy, | Webmaster >Students' Union, | office: +353 1 708 3669 >NUI Maynooth, | fax: +353 1 708 3876 >Maynooth, | mobile: +353 87 6941014 >Co. Kildare, | web: http://www.nuimsu.com >Ireland. | > | >==================================================== > >_______________________________________________ >Minds-disaster mailing list >Minds-disaster(a)lists.Redbrick.dcu.ie >http://lists.Redbrick.dcu.ie/mailman/listinfo/minds-disaster _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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