I'd like to move the meeting to somewhere other than a pub. I don't think it's a suitable place for any sort of discussion - it would be too loud, and I there's the smoke. And I hear it's a crap pub too! ;) Mahaffey's? Not at all. It's very quiet. Especially on a Saturday afternoon. Empty too, probably moreso than a Cafe at the same time. So there. :o) I'd suggest a quiet Cafe, somewhere like the Joy of Coffee. We can retire to the pub after the meeting, but for the meeting itself we shouldn't hold it in a noisy, smelly place (where that smell is not coffee) Cafe is fine too, whatever. Cian I would like to go with the pub idea, and I would like to point out that I asked if we could get together , something informal, so please stop calling it a "meeting" !, or I will bring along the accounts! It has occurredd to me that Sat 1st of September, is one of U2s slane dates, (which unfortunately doesnt affect me, damn ticket touts, brennan I am looking at you!), but does it suit everyone? Who is coming? So far we have Des, Phil, Cian, Dave http://www.may.ie