[Redbrick-birthday] About the book..
Sorry if this has been raised, but only going through the archives now and haven't seen it.. Why have a book? If it's going to cost �X00 and involve a lot of wrangling, is there anything more worthy of that money, time, and effort? I'm just wondering.. people have jumped on the idea of the book without really anyone setting out a case for it? Like someone else said, maybe it could be a magazine or something smaller instead? Or maybe a website like RedbrickAt10.com (or something, I'm not some domain name thinking up guy :o)) since we have the space and so many talented web design people and the cost would be minimal to register the domain. Don't mean to throw cold water on the idea but just wanted to play devil's advocate especially when it's an idea that could so easily not work out that well (good intentions and all that) Peace, C -- Tum Ganesh nahiin ho! Adding value.. to synergy All opinions expressed above are not to be taken seriously unless intended. They do not represent the views of any employer of the poster, nor do they necessarily reflect the views of the poster.
I do agree actually. How many people would actually buy the book and has anyone done a costing of it? They get very very expensive very quickly and unless you do preorders now (which isnt a bad idea) your prob wont have any kind of accurate numbers. Website is a very good and cost effective idea. I'll even cover cost of domain if you go down that route. Ryaner On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:47:34PM +0100, Conor O' Kane wrote:
Sorry if this has been raised, but only going through the archives now and haven't seen it..
Why have a book? If it's going to cost €X00 and involve a lot of wrangling, is there anything more worthy of that money, time, and effort?
I'm just wondering.. people have jumped on the idea of the book without really anyone setting out a case for it?
Like someone else said, maybe it could be a magazine or something smaller instead? Or maybe a website like RedbrickAt10.com (or something, I'm not some domain name thinking up guy :o)) since we have the space and so many talented web design people and the cost would be minimal to register the domain.
Don't mean to throw cold water on the idea but just wanted to play devil's advocate especially when it's an idea that could so easily not work out that well (good intentions and all that)
Peace, C
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:59:16PM +0100, Stephen Ryan wrote:
I do agree actually. How many people would actually buy the book and has anyone done a costing of it? They get very very expensive very quickly and unless you do preorders now (which isnt a bad idea) your prob wont have any kind of accurate numbers. Website is a very good and cost effective idea. I'll even cover cost of domain if you go down that route.
(damn connection died on me while writing this and I forget what else I'd written apart from the paragraph below) I guess the key question is: What do we want a "book" ? What is it for? Who do we imagine reading it? Will it be a throw away book or something we want people to actually keep as a souvenir (ignoring the fact that at least a handful of brickies would probably keep paper napkins as souvenir if we wrote "Redbrick 10th Anniversary" on them ;o))? How much is Redbrick willing to spend on it (bearing in mind Rb will also want to put on events, hire bands, buy cake, etc.)? Just a few ideas for people to discuss. Or not. :o) -- Tum Ganesh nahiin ho! Adding value.. to synergy All opinions expressed above are not to be taken seriously unless intended. They do not represent the views of any employer of the poster, nor do they necessarily reflect the views of the poster.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:12:09PM +0100, Conor O' Kane wrote:
I guess the key question is: What do we want a "book" ?
What is it for? Who do we imagine reading it? Will it be a throw away book or something we want people to actually keep as a souvenir (ignoring the fact that at least a handful of brickies would probably keep paper napkins as souvenir if we wrote "Redbrick 10th Anniversary" on them ;o))? How much is Redbrick willing to spend on it (bearing in mind Rb will also want to put on events, hire bands, buy cake, etc.)?
Truely I see the book as many things - going over the Encyclopedia I found lots of cool and amusing bits of redbrick I didnt know before and I see the book as extending this. I also see it as a way to get alot of people envolved in the society, talking with people who say dont usually use chat or even as basic as checking out other user's sites. Who it would be for - heh difficult question though Id like to think that it would interest everyone to some degree or another. Looking at the stuff on the wiki this certainly seems to look promising! From a personally view point I'd fit into the category of reading it to laugh at the best heys, to read up on the history - especially the stumbles redbrick has had in the past ;) I'd like to think people will hang on to these - read it again or reference it sometimes. I'm in favour of a magazine format for the 'book'. DCU has several magazines coming out monthly so I believe applying to the SPC to produce one large magazine for our members, say even 300 as I cant see the whole membership going out to purchase a copy :) At the meeting today it was discussed the idea of having a site where submissions can be made and the idea that all articals and whatever can be made avaible on it - but the 'book' itself would include the best of everything. For instance the idea that a user can submit their hey log - all the heys can be made available and, as markpb suggested, have one of the best heys on the bottom of every page. Cost wise, as Bernard posted, can be nicly covered by sponsorship *crosses fingers* and I'd recommend the cmt ask for a hefty bit paid by the SPC :) This is a big enough part of the society this year and I'd hope they would support us in this. Also if the 'book' was to take a magazine format there are what 3 or 4 monthly..or whatever it is, magazines produced by socs in DCU so I assume we should be able to get a good enough price... Karl, the only with a good memory today, will mail about what we discussed later :)
Just a few ideas for people to discuss. Or not. :o)
my two euro and fifty cent ;) John
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Well, I think some sort of paper based account of Redbrick's past is a good idea. How many people can keep their mind trained on a website without getting the urge to go off and do something else on their PC? As regards funding, sponsorship requests have already been suggested. While, the sponsorship could be split among any number of other projects I think with a good level of commitment we could end up with something to be proud of (says he who missed this evening's meeting). Saying that, to warrant it's share in the sponsorship I think this project is going to have to move a bit faster along. At the moment, we have the ideas to fill the book but not much of a plan as to how it's going to come together. Someone, send me a list of publishing companys and I'll happily contact them for quotes a.s.a.p. Bernard
All good questions to be asked. I agree mostly with John's answers, i.e. Who's it for - mostly redbrick members, but also an interested public What's it for - (1) commemoration (2) loose documentary of the society Regards the form that it comes in (book, magazine, website) - I reckon we leave this question for another 2 months (or so), and let the content decide. Get writing on the wiki! Put up photos! Statistics! Articles! Change shit! Once we have the content, then we can decide how best to present it. Getting a loose idea of prices & practicals is always a good thing tho - if someone wants to phone up book/mag publishers to get loose price lists (as dregin/Bernard suggested), then that'll help us decide. But we shouldn't need it for a little while; let's focus on the content for the moment. Money: I know we can *definately* get money from SPC, DCU Comms & Mkting, and possibly others like Presidents Office, Computer Apps school. I say this purely out of confidence: but we have leverage with all these people, I know they'd be proud to contribute, and I know we can guilt trip them and exort money from them. Every feeling in my gut says money will not be the problem on this one - content will, so I'd say let's stick with writing some class, funny, interesting, historical, entertaining shit for this yoke first of all. :-) (Good questions) Kp On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:47:34PM +0100, Conor O' Kane wrote:
Sorry if this has been raised, but only going through the archives now and haven't seen it..
Why have a book? If it's going to cost �X00 and involve a lot of wrangling, is there anything more worthy of that money, time, and effort?
I'm just wondering.. people have jumped on the idea of the book without really anyone setting out a case for it?
Like someone else said, maybe it could be a magazine or something smaller instead? Or maybe a website like RedbrickAt10.com (or something, I'm not some domain name thinking up guy :o)) since we have the space and so many talented web design people and the cost would be minimal to register the domain.
Don't mean to throw cold water on the idea but just wanted to play devil's advocate especially when it's an idea that could so easily not work out that well (good intentions and all that)
Peace, C
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All good questions to be asked. I agree mostly with John's answers, i.e. Who's it for - mostly redbrick members, but also an interested public What's it for - (1) commemoration (2) loose documentary of the society
Regards the form that it comes in (book, magazine, website) - I reckon we leave this question for another 2 months (or so), and let the content decide. Get writing on the wiki! Put up photos! Statistics! Articles! Change shit! Once we have the content, then we can decide how best to present it.
Getting a loose idea of prices & practicals is always a good thing tho - if someone wants to phone up book/mag publishers to get loose price lists (as dregin/Bernard suggested), then that'll help us decide. But we shouldn't need it for a little while; let's focus on the content for the moment.
Money: I know we can *definately* get money from SPC, DCU Comms & Mkting, and possibly others like Presidents Office, Computer Apps school. I say this purely out of confidence: but we have leverage with all these people, I know they'd be proud to contribute, and I know we can guilt trip them and exort money from them. Every feeling in my gut says money will not be the problem on this one - content will, so I'd say let's stick with writing some class, funny, interesting, historical, entertaining shit for this yoke first of all. :-)
I agree, there's (almost) no way that CA wouldn't be happy to pitch in, with what Redbrick contributes to them alone, and with what we contribute to the college as a whole, I'd say they'd be proud to stand behind us (we certainly found that was the case when dealing with Techweek details and sponsorship). The SPC were very eager for us to do something "individual" so this is the perfect thing! I'm sure there's be plenty of discussion about the book again, but I like the idea of a magazine :) Michelle -- 'Cause I'm just a little girl you see, But there's a hell of a lot more to me. Don't ever underestimate what I can do, Don't ever tell how I'm meant to be.
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Conor O' Kane -
dregin＠redbrick.dcu.ie -
John Doyle -
Karl Podesta -
Michelle Graham -
Stephen Ryan