[Redbrick-birthday] Getting started on the book
Hiyas, What do you all think is the best way to get started on the Anniversary book? (1) Decide on a structure here, then farm off bits to people (while also accepting any random things that other people write in the meantime) or (2) Make a "call for submission", and set a first deadline on when stuff has to be in, and to be read/reviewed by people on the list. ? I think the "call for submission" thing, while formal, mightn't prompt as much action. Whereas if we provisionally assign people with bits of the book, we all might feel compelled to write stuff (and at the same time with this option, allow anyone who randomly writes something or comes up with an idea, for it to go in too). I don't know if we need an editor(s) at this stage; this list could probably do? Articles/Sections: - "Overview" section: a brief bit about what Redbrick does/provides atm. - "History" section: an overall history in straight readable form - "Generations" section: 2-page spread for each gen? In 'collage' style.. - "Encyclopedia" section: this could be quite bulky actually, hmm - "Yearbook" section: like magluby's photo site? Drusilla suggested this! - "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses - "Academic" section: What redbrick members are doing in academia - "Projects" section: What cool projects or things have been done Maybe I should phone up some book editors and check out costs (in case this yoke gets too big!), or phone UCD L&H or something :-) [ Please pick the structure apart, or add up stuff you think should also be in the book ] Kp -- Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. -- What was the question again?, "The Springfield Files"
Hey! On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 03:18:49PM +0100, Karl Podesta wrote:
What do you all think is the best way to get started on the Anniversary book?
(1) Decide on a structure here, then farm off bits to people (while also accepting any random things that other people write in the meantime) or (2) Make a "call for submission", and set a first deadline on when stuff has to be in, and to be read/reviewed by people on the list.
A bit of both. We can assign bits and take bits. We should also propose some ideas. A few paragraphs on the following would be cool. In fact I'll start harrassing people on the newsgroups now :) Redbrick pre-history (pre-95 - the state of networking, unix and student computing services in DCU). The gestation of Redbrick. Redbrick servers and services 95-97, 98-2000, 2001-2003, 2004 - present * The evolution of Redbrick servers and services * The history of Redbrick events 95-97, 98-2000, 2001-2003, 2004 - present. Update and/or write encyclopedia entries for: <generate list>
- "Generations" section: 2-page spread for each gen? In 'collage' style..
What does a "collage" mean?
- "Encyclopedia" section: this could be quite bulky actually, hmm
The encyclopedia needs editing and updating.
- "Yearbook" section: like magluby's photo site? Drusilla suggested this!
Yeh, a "Most likely to... " section... * drjolt - Most likely to work for google, etc. ;)
- "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses
I saw piero there the other day in the SBP, he's got his own company or something. It might be worth having a list of companies owned by (ex-)brickies. Oh, I've got more stuff for your redbrick collage at home, I found more posters at home over the weekend. Brian.
Hi! Just out of curiosity, is this going to be a one off, or will a run of them be printed? The former isn't likely, I'm just checking :) On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 03:45:18PM +0100, Brian Scanlan wrote:
Hey!
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 03:18:49PM +0100, Karl Podesta wrote:
What do you all think is the best way to get started on the Anniversary book?
- "Generations" section: 2-page spread for each gen? In 'collage' style..
What does a "collage" mean?
Well you could have a few small pics from each event/notable occasion of the gen, along with some text describing it. Sort of a "best of" for each generation.
I saw piero there the other day in the SBP, he's got his own company or something. It might be worth having a list of companies owned by (ex-)brickies.
Perhaps a snippet from each of the (active) staff members on Redbrick too? Many of them, Ray Walshe in particular, really love us!
Oh, I've got more stuff for your redbrick collage at home, I found more posters at home over the weekend.
Brian.
We kept copies of everything this year afair, so there's plenty of fodder from this and probably last year too. Michelle -- 'Cause I'm just a little girl you see But there's a hell of a lot more to me Don't ever underestimate what I can do Don't ever tell me how I'm meant to be
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 03:45:18PM +0100, Brian Scanlan wrote:
A bit of both. We can assign bits and take bits. We should also propose some ideas.
A few paragraphs on the following would be cool. In fact I'll start harrassing people on the newsgroups now :)
Cool beans on that, well done!
- "Generations" section: 2-page spread for each gen? In 'collage' style..
What does a "collage" mean?
As drusilla said - sort of bits & pictures/posters/photos, a "best of" almost. Perhaps fleshed out with detail on another two pages or something.
- "Encyclopedia" section: this could be quite bulky actually, hmm
The encyclopedia needs editing and updating.
I liked your idea to dump this book back into the encyclopedia when it's all done.
- "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses
I saw piero there the other day in the SBP, he's got his own company or something. It might be worth having a list of companies owned by (ex-)brickies.
* Piero owns Terminal Four ("T4") - bubble and moridin work there. * Phil/Noelfitz/Mark used to run www.rfc-networks.ie. * Hyper/Thalia used to run Eolach. * Kyper/some-other-brickies run a hosting company of some description. (we won a prize at the table quiz for a year's free hosting with them! suggestions or ideas for that welcome - maybe we could host the online redbrick anniversary book on it ;-)). They're all the companies I know of. Cokane's "inventory" on redbrick.jobs of what companies people work for isn't a bad idea.
Oh, I've got more stuff for your redbrick collage at home, I found more posters at home over the weekend.
Had forgotten about that collage! Great stuff, thanks. Also - I spent about 15 minutes looking for a piece that Alan Smeaton wrote in favour of Redbrick (when we were applying to DCU for the server room). Couldn't find it. Think it's at home on my laptop. I'll post it up when I find it, cos it was great. I also have all the emails from my two years on committee (received & sent), so will trawl through them. Kp -- Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. -- What was the question again?, "The Springfield Files"
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 05:34:06PM +0100, Karl Podesta wrote:
* Piero owns Terminal Four ("T4") - bubble and moridin work there. * Phil/Noelfitz/Mark used to run www.rfc-networks.ie. * Hyper/Thalia used to run Eolach. * Kyper/some-other-brickies run a hosting company of some description. (we won a prize at the table quiz for a year's free hosting with them! suggestions or ideas for that welcome - maybe we could host the online redbrick anniversary book on it ;-)).
x/spinal/jbolger and I set up Cliste, which still contracts some consultancy stuff, but is pretty low key. Total brickies employed ever: 2. grimnar set up North-East Technologies, which a lot of things RedBrick have gone though. Tony Bolger set up palimon, not sure of its status. -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 05:34:06PM +0100, Karl Podesta wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 03:45:18PM +0100, Brian Scanlan wrote: * Piero owns Terminal Four ("T4") - bubble and moridin work there. * Phil/Noelfitz/Mark used to run www.rfc-networks.ie. * Hyper/Thalia used to run Eolach. * Kyper/some-other-brickies run a hosting company of some description. (we won a prize at the table quiz for a year's free hosting with them! suggestions or ideas for that welcome - maybe we could host the online redbrick anniversary book on it ;-)).
www.vade.ie, it's run by kyper, phreak and ryaner, and I really hope you're joking Karl! :) Michelle -- 'Cause I'm just a little girl you see But there's a hell of a lot more to me Don't ever underestimate what I can do Don't ever tell me how I'm meant to be
On Thu, Jan 01, 1970 at 12:00:00AM +0000, Karl Podesta wrote:
Articles/Sections: - "Overview" section: a brief bit about what Redbrick does/provides atm. - "History" section: an overall history in straight readable form - "Generations" section: 2-page spread for each gen? In 'collage' style.. - "Encyclopedia" section: this could be quite bulky actually, hmm - "Yearbook" section: like magluby's photo site? Drusilla suggested this! - "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses - "Academic" section: What redbrick members are doing in academia - "Projects" section: What cool projects or things have been done
Might also be worth interviewing various DCU heads, heads of CSD, el presidente and so on, get a few fluffy quotes about what RedBrick has meant to them. -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 04:41:49PM +0100, David Murphy wrote:
On 4/21/05, Colm MacCarthaigh <colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
Might also be worth interviewing various DCU heads, heads of CSD, el presidente and so on, get a few fluffy quotes about what RedBrick has meant to them.
Who's going to interview Boland? :)
hmmm, I nominate someone else! -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/
On 4/21/05, Karl Podesta <kpodesta@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
- "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses
No. What does it have to do with redbrick? I've no objection to selling ads to brickies who want to promote their businesses, which would help nicely with the production costs. -- David Murphy
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 06:05:23PM +0100, David Murphy wrote:
On 4/21/05, Karl Podesta <kpodesta@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
- "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses
No. What does it have to do with redbrick?
Redbrick associate members occupy (increasingly) prominent positions in Ireland's IT sphere. The society now has a portfolio of skills amongst these people that are enviable. The skills that the society incubates are almost unmatched by any other student society in Ireland, and quite obviously has helped many associates stand out from their peers when looking for jobs. Straight up, no shit, that's the way it is. No need for us to get snobby about it or anything, but quite genuinely we should be proud of it (and of ourselves). It's kind of an exciting facet to the society now that we've never had before as well; an associate network that redbrick grads are lucky to have available to them!
I've no objection to selling ads to brickies who want to promote their businesses, which would help nicely with the production costs.
That's a great idea actually, good stuff. Kp -- Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. -- What was the question again?, "The Springfield Files"
On 4/22/05, Karl Podesta <kpodesta@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
No. What does it have to do with redbrick?
Redbrick associate members occupy (increasingly) prominent positions in Ireland's IT sphere. The society now has a portfolio of skills amongst these people that are enviable.
No, it doesn't. RedBrick isn't a consulting company or a recruitment agency. You don't get to sell my services or claim credit for my skills. -- David Murphy
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 01:23:56PM +0100, David Murphy wrote:
Redbrick associate members occupy (increasingly) prominent positions in Ireland's IT sphere. The society now has a portfolio of skills amongst these people that are enviable.
No, it doesn't. RedBrick isn't a consulting company or a recruitment agency. You don't get to sell my services or claim credit for my skills.
Really? Because I have this guy in a tissue commercial that's the role you were born to play! Don't be over the top. I think the interest in what redbrick people are doing with themselves post-college is a legitimate and obvious interest for both members and random readers alike (if you are looking for precedent, look no further than the L&H anniversary website). Personally I can only see inclusion of such a section as a good thing for the society to generate sponsorship, new membership, respect from university authorities, & indeed only strengthens your own CV from having been involved with something that is so positive. "For sale: 1 Dave Murphy. YMMV". Kp -- Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. -- What was the question again?, "The Springfield Files"
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:04:44PM +0100, Karl Podesta wrote:
Don't be over the top. I think the interest in what redbrick people are doing with themselves post-college is a legitimate and obvious interest for both members and random readers alike (if you are looking for precedent, look no further than the L&H anniversary website).
Agreed.
Personally I can only see inclusion of such a section as a good thing for the society to generate sponsorship, new membership, respect from university authorities, & indeed only strengthens your own CV from having been involved with something that is so positive.
I think the point that's David's making is that RB can't necessarily take credit for its members skills. Many members, myself included, learned and continue to learn lots through my membership of the soc. However, you can't turn round and say "Brickie XYZ is CTO of Sun Ireland, and it's all thanks to Redbrick!" By all means, have a "Where are they now?" section, just don't overtly claim that it's all thanks to Redbrick. Um, unless you're interviewing someone in a dole queue who got sacked for RBing too much.
"For sale: 1 Dave Murphy. YMMV".
I'll take two. -- "Relax Paul, I'm your friend. I'm only dancing with you."
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:13:58PM +0100, Paul Gargan wrote:
I think the point that's David's making is that RB can't necessarily take credit for its members skills. Many members, myself included, learned and continue to learn lots through my membership of the soc. However, you can't turn round and say "Brickie XYZ is CTO of Sun Ireland, and it's all thanks to Redbrick!"
By all means, have a "Where are they now?" section, just don't overtly claim that it's all thanks to Redbrick. Um, unless you're interviewing someone in a dole queue who got sacked for RBing too much.
Quite - sincere apologies for any unintended implications along those lines. Perhaps the choice of "corporate" was an unfortunate one... I just think it's quite neat what some people are doing, I'm always interested to hear where people are, or how far geographically speaking they have gone.
"For sale: 1 Dave Murphy. YMMV".
I'll take two.
"Do you have him in a blond?" Kp -- Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. -- What was the question again?, "The Springfield Files"
On 4/22/05, Karl Podesta <kpodesta@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
I think the interest in what redbrick people are doing with themselves post-college is a legitimate and obvious interest for both members and random readers alike
I think it would be best to ask the current brickies what they want to see, instead of being so arrogant as to think you know what's best.
(if you are looking for precedent, look no further than the L&H anniversary website).
Very different society, very different people. RedBrick should be looking to its own membership for ideas, not copying a UCD debate soc. -- David Murphy
On 4/22/05, David Murphy <david.murphy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/22/05, Karl Podesta <kpodesta@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
I think the interest in what redbrick people are doing with themselves post-college is a legitimate and obvious interest for both members and random readers alike
I think it would be best to ask the current brickies what they want to see, instead of being so arrogant as to think you know what's best.
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger. Trying to get the Redbrick membership to collaborate on anything always has and always will fail miserably. It is best to just continue with a small editorial team, who can stop short of stuff like this if they think it best. Case in point, this thread. - DoC
On 4/22/05, Dave O Connor <doc@gmail.com> wrote:
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger. Trying to get the Redbrick membership to collaborate on anything always has and always will fail miserably. It is best to just continue with a small editorial team, who can stop short of stuff like this if they think it best. Case in point, this thread.
This is true. I'm not suggesting waiting around until you get consensus, that wouldn't work. I'm suggesting you at least get a feel for what people are interested in rather than saying 'We want xyz in this thing'. -- David Murphy
No, they should go ahead and do whatever they think should be in the book, and fuck the begrudgers. - DoC On 4/22/05, David Murphy <david.murphy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/22/05, Dave O Connor <doc@gmail.com> wrote:
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger. Trying to get the Redbrick membership to collaborate on anything always has and always will fail miserably. It is best to just continue with a small editorial team, who can stop short of stuff like this if they think it best. Case in point, this thread.
This is true. I'm not suggesting waiting around until you get consensus, that wouldn't work. I'm suggesting you at least get a feel for what people are interested in rather than saying 'We want xyz in this thing'.
-- David Murphy
On 4/22/05, David Murphy <david.murphy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/22/05, Dave O Connor <doc@gmail.com> wrote:
No, they should go ahead and do whatever they think should be in the book, and fuck the begrudgers.
Sure, so long as it's called 'Karl's book of what karl thinks matters' and he pays for it himself.
Let's see if it beats the book you write, then :-) - DoC
...whoever writes the most paragraphs in response to my request yesterday on the newsgroup wins the argument. Whoever writes the content, writes the content. Brian.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:45:14PM +0100, David Murphy wrote:
On 4/22/05, Karl Podesta <kpodesta@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
I think the interest in what redbrick people are doing with themselves post-college is a legitimate and obvious interest for both members and random readers alike
I think it would be best to ask the current brickies what they want to see, instead of being so arrogant as to think you know what's best.
This is a good idea, but for the sake of everyone here, you should play nice too. I didn't see much, "lets ask the members" with "No. What does it have to do with redbrick?". Everyone should calm down. People are just bringing up ideas, there's no need to shoot anyone down or get confrontational. -- colmmacc@redbrick.dcu.ie PubKey: colmmacc+pgp@redbrick.dcu.ie Web: http://devnull.redbrick.dcu.ie/
- "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses?
My only main problem with this suggestion is How do we decide who gets to be in the book? people could end up feeling snubbed etc etc. And its not like we can include everyone. Basically where would we draw the line with this? Having said that I don't think its a bad idea I'm just wondering, Martina.
This info goes out of date very quickly, too. We should only mention companies. Also, I'm against ads in the book. This is something we want to have in perpituity, and ads for Bob's Doomed Dotcom look amateurish. - DoC On 4/22/05, dramaq@redbrick.dcu.ie <dramaq@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
- "Corporate" section: What redbrick members are doing in businesses?
My only main problem with this suggestion is How do we decide who gets to be in the book? people could end up feeling snubbed etc etc. And its not like we can include everyone. Basically where would we draw the line with this?
Having said that I don't think its a bad idea I'm just wondering, Martina.
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 05:51:57PM +0100, dramaq@redbrick.dcu.ie wrote:
My only main problem with this suggestion is How do we decide who gets to be in the book? people could end up feeling snubbed etc etc. And its not like we can include everyone. Basically where would we draw the line with this?
This is assuming we have enough text + photos to fill a book. Too litttle content might be a more likely outcome than too much. I hope not, but we shouldn't discount the possibility. Assuming we do have too much ... we need an editorial team. Plain and simple. What they say goes. It's the only way, imho, you could run this - somebody has to decide what's in, what's out. The point of contention then becomes who gets to be on the editorial team? I suggest ppl volunteer, bearing in mind that (a) it'd help to have an idea what you're at, and (b) your decisions may be criticised. We then have a vote (shell script or whatever), leave it running for a week. Elect the editorial team, and then all agree to abide by their decisions. -- "Relax Paul, I'm your friend. I'm only dancing with you."
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Brian Scanlan -
Colm MacCarthaigh -
Dave O Connor -
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Karl Podesta -
Michelle A. Graham -
Paul Gargan