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Re: [Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #4 - 1 msg
by David Barrett 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > THE EGM cannot be held on Wednesday, you need five days to prompt the EGM > and posters have to be put on the 9 designated notice boards around the > college according to the consitition, otherwise the EGM is unoffical > and no action can be take at it, the earlist time you can have EGM > is Friday. It was arranged to have the EGM on Wednesday at the emergency committee meeting on Thursday. That's 6 days. I will check this out in the constitution; once I get to read a copy. I have a letter dated from the 1st of December from the SU President making reference to the EGM on the 6th of December. That's 5 days. > Also my resignation can be accepted until such time as there is an offical > EGM. This doesn't make any sense. It implies a change of state of your resignation after the EGM. Please clarify this. > The consitition is available in the capitation handbook, please > read it first. The first time I even heard we had a constitution was a week ago. Which capitation handbook, Darragh? I can't follow a constitution that I can't access or don't know exists. Siobhan has told me that you have the constition and the capitation handbook yourself; and I'm only finding out now. I was the Secretary and now am the Vice-Chair; both executive committee posts AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SEE IT. This is a joke, and it most certainly isn't funny. We need to give everyone access to all of our documentation ASAP. Constitution, capitation submission, sponsorship letters (on the minds system itself), etc. We can't run the society like this. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] looking good
by balor＠poorstudent.co.uk 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Right - I know a lot of you have helped to get this society back on track but I have to tell you all about the trojan work put in by Dave Barrett in particular. Dave was one of the first people on the scene (with myself and Bart), Dave organised the committee meeting and has done a lot of the letter writing since. He also has put the whole nervecenter thing together in one weekend. As we are now looking good (pre SB meeting with sargon etc..) and we will hopefully get our server back soon (SB has said that the "attack" could have come from the Solaris system), I for one wish to acknowledge the work put in by Dave in particular, JC, Bart,Noel Hogan(for the support), Redbrick(muchos gracios),and Compsoc Galway(for more support). Also fair dues to Darragh for making the right decision under stressful conditions. I know we may have been a little too agressive with him, but we can now appreciate his moral courage for stepping down. Heres hoping for some uptime soon :-) Aidan Aidan Be whoever you want to be with another.com Just click here: http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=390

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #4 - 1 msg
by David Barrett 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > THE EGM cannot be held on Wednesday, you need five days to prompt the EGM > and posters have to be put on the 9 designated notice boards around the > college according to the consitition, otherwise the EGM is unoffical > and no action can be take at it, the earlist time you can have EGM > is Friday. It was arranged to have the EGM on Wednesday at the emergency committee meeting on Thursday. That's 6 days. I will check this out in the constitution; once I get to read a copy. > The consitition is available in the capitation handbook, please > read it first. The first time I even heard we had a constitution was a week ago. Which capitation handbook, Darragh? I can't follow a constitution that I can't access or don't know exists. This is a joke, and it most certainly isn't funny. We need to give everyone access to all of our documentation ASAP. Constitution, capitation submission, sponsorship letters (on the minds system itself), etc. We can't run the society like this. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #4 - 1 msg
by Darragh Sherwin 03 Dec '00

03 Dec '00

> Message: 1 > From: "David Barrett" <mindschair(a)eircom.net> > Reply-To: <mindschair(a)eircom.net> > To: minds-disaster(a)redbrick.dcu.ie > Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:44:48 +0000 > Subject: [Minds-disaster] Various > > EGM > An EGM will be held at 6:15 in the Callan Foyer on Wednesday. > THE EGM can not be held on Wednesday, you need five days to prompt the EGM and posters have to be put on the 9 designated notice boards around the college according to the consitition, otherwise the EGM is unoffical and no action can be take at it, the earlist time you can have EGM is Friday. Also my resignation can be accepted until such time as there is an offical EGM. The consitition is available in the capitation handbook, please read it first. _______________________ Darragh Sherwin

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[Minds-disaster] Various
by David Barrett 03 Dec '00

03 Dec '00

DARRAGH: Just to make this clear... at the emergency committee meeting on Thursday at 2(ish) it was made clear that the committee didn't see you staying on as chairperson as making it any easier for us to get access to our machine back. The fact that a government department lodged an official complaint with us meant the whole situation had to be taken as being of the utmost importance. We know you didn't send the most emails; but it was that the chairperson of the society wrote the program that did it that was worrying. The moves to impeach you were in NO WAY a personal attack on you... it was hoped it would be seen that the society did not want to be associated with your actions. Because you were the chairperson you had responsibilites beyond the normal member. We don't want you to leave the society at all... you'll still have Minds> access rights and privileges. I'm sorry if you thought it was some sort of attack on you or if you took it personally; that was not the intention; the only intention of these actions was to get the society back it's machine and try and soften the blow the society would have to take from the Government/HEA/NUI/Department. Remember; Noel Hogan has said in a letter to you that if any serious action is taken against you, or David Bolger for that matter, the Student's Union will move to protect the victim. I would appreciate if you would attend the EGM and read out all or part of your letter of resignation and perhaps say a few words. EGM: An EGM will be held at 6:15 in the Callan Foyer on Wednesday. That's the official location; but I'm still trying to get a room for us (Jim, the guy who organised the rooms, wasn't in on Friday), so at about 6:20 we'll hopefully go to whatever room I get. This is what I want on the agenda: 1) Introduction, saying what happened to the society. 2) Darragh to read out his resignation/say a few words => if Darragh cannot attend, it will be projected [ if we get a room, which we should ] and read out by a committee member. 3) The Sargon issue... why he has to leave 4) Support from Redbrick and Compsoc Galway; information 5) Voting in a new Chairperson and sorting out the committee. 6) Short list of plans for the society (tutorial postponed, different things like that) 7) Short presentation to the Clubs & Socs there of the Nervecenter system (if we have time, actual *work* on it started Thursday Night/Friday Morning) 8) Get some beer I'm not too sure about number 7 though. I would like a committee meeting before the EGM, an informal one on Tuesday. Give me times people. MEMBERS: This is from my copy of the members taken on fairs day. It doesn't include Des's more recent signings. I want *all* of these at the EGM. I've left out the Student id's/logins for the people I know and will have words with myself. I want a massive word of mouth campaign... if you know someone in Minds; get them to tell everyone else in Minds to go as it is of vital importance that they do, in order to give this as much transparency as possible. Darkroom David Barrett Garth Kavanagh/98062301/jack_o_t Kevin Kleary/60125608/lance Darragh Sherwin Siobhan McKenna Kevin Hargaden Aidan Delaney Rowan Nairn Des Traynor Philip Brennan Rory Donegan Cian Synott Margaret McGaley Fiachra Matthews Eamonn Kearns Sorcha NicAmhalai Damien McGurrell/60592523/janus David Bolger Brendan Keogh/98024230/tharkun Andrew Brennan Brian Fleming Alan McNicholas (skreen) Ben Cranks/98277111/lalaland Paul Mulcahy/60864382/imaf Adrian Hynes/60004120/mulch Elaine Duffy Loraine Dully Damien Gallagher Donal Foley Paul Donnan Rhuaidhri Tynan/99826437/redking James Barrett/???/james David McDermott/60426270/dave Niall Kelly Damien Fox/60401111/damo Ronan Flannery/60060381/ronanf Damien Byrne/99319551/damoman Shane O'Dowd/???/buba Andrew Page Barry Muldoon/60586641/bosco Kevin Rispin/60081761/kevr TJ Whyte/???/tj_whyte Keith Hamilton/60517283/hamo Martin Devaney/???/pobo Cormac Blackwell Vishal Vatsa Chris Hamill/???/chaos Alex Ridgeway/60098469/alex Ciara Bergin/60419532/ciara Simon Geraghty/60629821/sigero Alan Leahy/60552091/hal Garain Fortune/???/forcho Alan Naylor/60127503/kristos Damien Murphy (SU webmaster) Denis O'Kelly/94484040/drd Emmanuel Touzery/???/manu Matthiell Feraille/???/tiburn Christopher Creevey/93437137/telor Adam Duffy/97711756/jesus Peter Mulligan/99529831/weah John Brennan/99529670/frodo Niall Murphy/60310786/xebeddee Sarah Ryan/???/seska Vial Gregory/???/grog Mark Larkin/97008354/mark Paula Banks/98321510/galatart Marie Nangle/98272683/kulamani Tony Salueta/96063068/moxie Bart Busschots Right, it's 2 in the morning and I have work tommorrow... goodnight. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Darragh HAS resigned
by Bart Busschots 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

Hi All, Just to let you know that Darragh has handed in his letter of resignation to me a few moments ago. I still feel that we need a general meeting next Wednesday but atleast there will be no need for hostilities at it. Thanks Darragh your courage is very much appreciated. Bart. __________________________ Bart Busschots bart.busschots(a)physics.org

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[Minds-disaster] MET WITH STEPHEN BROWN
by Bart Busschots 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

Hi All, My self (Bart) and Noel Hogan, the SU President met with Stephen Brown at about 5pm today. Stephen has asked that he only meet with Dave & Darragh on Monday and with the entire MiNDS Committee latter in the week when he knows what exactly is happening and what we will have to do to make things right again with the HEA. He did however say that he wishes to see MiNDS back up and that he is looking on this as a teathing problem not the end of the road. Could Dave Barret or Aidan please ring me on 087-2861359 ASAP. __________________________ Bart Busschots bart.busschots(a)physics.org

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[Minds-disaster] resignation
by Darragh Sherwin 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

60 Greenfield Drive Maynooth County Kildare 1st December 2000 Dear Members and Committee, I have decided to resign from the current committee of MiNDS> as Chairperson. I believe this is for the benefit of the society and the members. I am prepared to accept the fact that I wrote a program could have had damaging consequences to the society, although the program was not written with any intention of being malicious. The program was abused and I have to accept the fact that I left the program available for abuse. I feel though I am not responible for the running of the program but rather I left the program available for people to abuse. I also wish to apoligse for the confusion I have caused over my resignation form the committee. I feel that this may have not help matters but rather have underminded some peoples intent to get the society started again after this terrible disaster. But I did not want to take this decision lightly and I wanted to get third party judgements on my actions before taking up any action. My wishs for the society is that the society for this year have the same goals that I started in that the society be more open to people that are not have a computer background or that may not have any computer experience. To this end I would like to nominate Siobhan McKenna or Fiachra Matthews for the position of Chairperson as I believe these are the best people to follow the path I have laid for the society in this year. I will be available to support and advise the new chairperson on their duties and responiblities. I have also written a wrapper around the mail program that will prevent email bombing on the scale that was initated. This program will be available on Monday with the source code for use to prevent this sort of problem form happening again. The code will be available to person who wishes to have it but the people who use it will not be allowed to have it without consenting to the program will be only used for the purpose intended which is to prevent email bombing campaigns Yours Sincerely _________________________ Darragh Sherwin Phone: (01) 6285149 Email: yr40017(a)cs.may.ie This document will be taken as offical resignation of my position on the committee of MiNDS>

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[Minds-disaster] MiNDS> (fwd)
by Darragh Sherwin 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:48:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> To: minds-disaster(a)lists.redbrick.dcu.ie Cc: su.president(a)may.ie, jcotter(a)cs.may.ie, afrodite(a)redbrick.dcu.ie, pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie, bart.busschots(a)physics.org, mindschair(a)eircom.net Subject: MiNDS> Dear Members, I have attached my offical letter of resignation form the position of Chairperson of MiNDS>. Thank you ____________________ Darragh Sherwin Email: yr40017(a)cs.may.ie Phone: (01) 6285149A

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[Minds-disaster] MiNDS>
by Darragh Sherwin 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

Dear Members, I have attached my offical letter of resignation form the position of Chairperson of MiNDS>. Thank you ____________________ Darragh Sherwin Email: yr40017(a)cs.may.ie Phone: (01) 6285149A

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