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Re: [Minds-disaster] The Source
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Bart is going to talk to them to give them a neutral view so that they have more to go on and REAL facts rather than speculation it is a big story and should be covered however they are also going to talk to the computer centre (fingers crossed) to get their side of it if i get more news ill fill you in! Bon -----Original Message-----

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[Minds-disaster] The Source
by David Barrett 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

I have an interview with the Source this afternoon. The reason for this is, at 5pm last night I was told by Vish that the Source were running an article on us.. Vish told them to ask a committee member about things and the reply was "I don't have time.". I'm sorry, but I don't think that this is a responsible attitude to have to the news. To make sure they get the facts I *have* to go. I'll only give them the facts - no personal opinions and no attacks on anyone - but the last thing I want to do is to have a college newspaper spreading rumours about the society. Apparantely Bart will be talking to them today aswell (according to Gareth Kavanagh) and that should be okay. The minutes from Wednesdays meeting should be available later on today. David Barrett

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Re: [Minds-disaster] STOP
by David Barrett 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Cian <pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: > > You Should be pulling together now NOT ripping each other to pieces > > infront of the whole Exec. and the SU. That's why I'm asking Cian to end > > the list now before things really get ugly. > > > Hm. I don't want to end the list. I'd rather the people involved in the silly > argument would get together and talk about it. But hey, maybe I'm too nice > and optimistic. ;o) I talked with Aidan on Tuesday night and we decided not to post anything that wasn't constructive... I think he understands that he might have started the most recent argument, and I haven't help much. :( > > As the SU Societies officer I have to point out that this kind of > > infighting can only make the society look worse in what are very testing > > times for it. > > > Damn right. Many people have said this all along. We don't need this kind of > internal strain at this point, and I'm very disappointed to see the people > involved maintain it. Some apologies and compromises all around would be a Very > Good Thing. Please sort this out, people - have a meeting, figure out what will > make everyone happy, and try to understand where each person involved is > coming from. Next Wednesday Darragh, Aidan and myself will be at the GM; and Darragh will get to say a few words to the members. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] STOP
by Bart Busschots 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Hi All, I personaly feel that this list has out lived it's usefullness and is now causing a massive rift in the very fabric of MiNDS>. You Should be pulling together now NOT ripping each other to pieces infront of the whole Exec. and the SU. That's why I'm asking Cian to end the list now before things really get ugly. As the SU Societies officer I have to point out that this kind of infighting can only make the society look worse in what are very testing times for it. Please can you stop the bitching and just sort this out. I would like to point out that Darragh has put many years of his life into MiNDS> and has alot of experience and should not just be pushed asside. I do however feel that he had to resign but not be Excomunicated and ignored. Please stop and think of what this is doing to the society and just take a few steps back to reflect and calm down. Respectfully yours, Bart Busschots, Societies Officer, NUI Maynooth SU. __________________________ Bart Busschots bart.busschots(a)physics.org

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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by andy fatbastard 06 Dec '00

06 Dec '00

>I might not > be able to complete > the rest of my degree. Emmm... This is the first I've heard of this, please elaborate. I thought the SU were completely behind all the students involved. MiNDS> is most definitely not going to continue at the expense of a member's degree. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that we will do our damndest to make sure this doesn't happen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by Sorcha Nic Amhalaí 06 Dec '00

06 Dec '00

>> Oh, and just to remind everyone, if Dave Bolger and Darragh get too much punishment from >> anyone we will support them. BOTH of them. >> > >So, let me get this straight, one minute you commit mutiny and the next >minute you wish to save the captain ass to you can feel good. > >Does this seem crazy do you? > >I don't need your support, I don't want people around who support whatever >they want one minute and change their mind the next minute. > >______________________ >Darragh Sherwin > Darragh, http://www.may.ie

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Re: [Minds-disaster] EGM
by David Barrett 06 Dec '00

06 Dec '00

SU Webmaster <su.webmaster(a)may.ie> wrote: > >Ok everyone, relax a bit. > > > >I'm not sure what it says in the constitution about advertising general > >meetings, but even if it says nothing, I think it would be worth postponing > >the EGM for two reasons. The more notice we give people, the more likely they > >are to come, and since what is being discussed there is so relevent to > >Darragh, we should hold it some time when he can come. > I think what lovelace says here makes sense. There's no point in getting > het up over this (well, too much anyhow). I was talking to Brian Gormley, > and he said that in these situations, it's better to go by the book. Also, > there's not much point in not having Darragh there, as it concerns him the > most. When I organised the EGM for this Wednesday, I didn't see a problem with this at all; but I've read over the constitution and after calming down a bit I reckon it's better to stick by the book too. We will have an informal meeting on Wednesday. No decisions will be made at this meeting that could not be made outside of a committee meeting. A fair amount of the SU officers will be there, Sinead McDonagh, Bart Busschots and Damian Murphy are of particular note (I didn't get a chance to ask/confirm Noel Hogan or anyone else); and I hope to have Stephen Brown there too. This meeting NEEDS to go ahead... I want to inform our members about what happened and to quash any false rumours passed around about Dave Bolger or the Society; because we hardly want anything untrue harming any of our members, or even anything true harming any of our members excessively; even the one who has to leave us. I will NOT keep our members in the dark about all this. This is not a cloak and dagger society. An official general meeting will be held next Wednesday the 13th of December. Posters will be placed by the existing ones drawing attention to this fact by Tuesday night. Hopefully Darragh will be able to attend this one; but what I do not want to do is have an argument in front of everyone about technicalities or the like... I want that sorted by then. I would to have a new constitution drawn up for this meeting, or ammendments to the current one; for this meeting... the current one does not suit an IT society; for example email votes using user accounts, proxy votes, etcetera, are not mentioned. Agenda for next Wednesdays meeting 1) Introduction 2) Darragh will say a few words, if he wishes 3) Necessary Elections 4) Constitution and unofficially, beer. I'd like everyone who can to help Kev out with the posters; he came in sick on Saturday morning to put some up, and there's 65 around the college. David Barrett

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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by David Barrett 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > No, Aidan changed his mind about whether his script was working or not. > Because he said it to my brother. He is more pissed off about this, than I am. > Aidan's script was malicious has it did not have a senders address. > My script was not malicious as it automatically put the senders > address in. I don't think your script was malicious in itself, but it was easily modifiable to make it malicious (ie; send too many). Taken the name away was, as far as Aidan told me (and I can't read his mind) the server could block emails from selected IP's. Again, I remind you... the reason all of this was started is that you wrote the script, told people on Minds to use this script, and Sargon fucked up with help from you, the Chairperson, who has responsibilites beyond a normal member.

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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by David Barrett 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > > Oh, and just to remind everyone, if Dave Bolger and Darragh get too much punishment from > > anyone we will support them. BOTH of them. > > > > So, let me get this straight, one minute you commit mutiny and the next > minute you wish to save the captain ass to you can feel good. > > Does this seem crazy do you? > > I don't need your support, I don't want people around who support whatever > they want one minute and change their mind the next minute. Er, Darragh, I haven't changed my mind. The society could not survive with you at it's head, but up until the point you called the meeting on Wednesday "cowardly" I had *no* major problem with you personally. What the rest of the exec and I decided to do was *not* to harm you, it was to save the society's ass, and no matter how much I try to explain that to you, you seem to ignore it... this was NOT a personal attack on you! You deserve the same protection extended to every student in the college by the SU and fellow students. I'll get Fiachra to post the minutes of the Wednesday meeting up on this mailing list for everyone to read. Darragh, this was NEVER a personal attack on you... it was a move to distance the society from actions you undertook on the society's server... we have made enough enemies to get the server shut down, and if you stayed on as chair I'm damn sure we would not get access to our machine back; because of these enemies. We *didn't* decide to start the vote of no-confidence in you because we got pissed off with you. It was started because of the official complaint from a GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT because of a script the chair wrote and distributed. If anyone else on the committee had wrote the script that did the damage the same action would have been taken, to distance the society from their actions... not to piss you off, or not because of some stupid personal reason! You are a student of the college. If you think that the action taken against you by either the Department of Computer Science or Minds was unfair then talk to Noel Hogan/Sinead McDonagh/Brian Gormley. If you have a complaint against me or anyone else in the society I would appreciate you make that complaint formal instead of just making vague statements here. If it's formal it will have to be documented and you, as a member of the society, have a right to request that information, to show to whatever higher power you wish if you think that it was not dealt with fairly. David Barrett

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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by David Barrett 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > If you are punishing me for writing and running a script, may those who > wrote a more malicious script should be punished has well. You wrote a > malicious script but yours did not run. So maybe you should step down too. Aidan was writing a script. Never got it finished; I'm a bit hazy on the details... but he didn't distribute the script to the users, didn't tell them to run it, because of this there was no formal complaint from the Department of Finance and he wasn't Chair/ViceChair. The issue is the formal complaint, brought upon by the actions of Sargon and aided by you, Darragh. This is what the society has to face. This is rapidly devolving into a petty squabble. Can both of you please stop? This is supposed to be a discussion group for saving society ass, not drivel. David Barrett

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