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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by David Barrett 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

se30012(a)cs.may.ie wrote: > Question: > If we kicked out one person for running bomb.pl why should we not kick out everyone > for running it? Because they didn't run it too many times? What is too many > times? Bart ran it 20 times, Darragh for 50000 and others for 5 to 10 times. > Are we punishing Sargon for crashing the server or running the program? We are punishing Sargon a) because of the letter of complaint from the Department of Finance and b) because of advice from the unnamed saviour; as you mentioned... *not* because of the amount of times he ran the script. For a): If the Department of Finance choose to pursue this further and they turn to us and we *still* have Sargon as a member and we *still* give him the same access rights as everyone else I think they'd punish us unfairly. Oh, and just to remind everyone, if Dave Bolger and Darragh get too much punishment from anyone we will support them. BOTH of them. David Barrett

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Re: [Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by David Barrett 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > He is under scrunity by the department of the > rest of his college life but thats all that is happening to him That's *ALL*? That's pretty damn significant. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] ran bomb.pl
by Aidan Delaney 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Question: If we kicked out one person for running bomb.pl why should we not kick out everyone for running it? Because they didn't run it too many times? What is too many times? Bart ran it 20 times, Darragh for 50000 and others for 5 to 10 times. Are we punishing Sargon for crashing the server or running the program? Cian -- I think you may be missing a slight point. NONE of us want Darragh or Sargon out but Darragh HAD to resign and we HAD to kick Sargon out on some advice from our unofficial saviour (not Jesus Christ). My own opinion is since Darragh sold Sargon to the CS dept I have lost all respect for him and now think that he wasn't of the moral fiber to have run the society. (b4 any rants about me being power hungry, I'll say that I won't be running for an Exec position.) http://www.may.ie

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #5 - 3 msgs
by David Barrett 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > > > Also my resignation can be accepted until such time as there is an offical > > > EGM. > > This doesn't make any sense. It implies a change of state of your resignation after the EGM. Please clarify this. > This doesnot imply a change of minds about my resignation. rather > I have things to say before I will go idlely by. Listen, I don't want to argue grammar with you. > 2. My letter of resignation is not an act of courage, courage is standing > up to the truth in the face of all odds. My letter of resignation > is an act of cowardess which I was forced into by Noel Hogan, > David Barrett, Bart Busschots and Aidan Delany. Darragh, on the Thursday we were all pretty much convinced that you had resigned, for the good of the society, there and then. Then you decided to not resign. Then it got messy. > I feel I have > been treated like shit by these people. > I helped found the society > and put alot of time and effort into it for the last 2 years and > when a crisis arived, I was the scape goat. The good work you have put in for the society is not in question. As I explained before, this was *not* a personal attack on you; but you have to face up to the fact that the HEA net would almost certainly not want the guy who did what you did with the script to run the society again. This was not done for the purposes of removing you from office, this was done to minimise the damage taken by the society; and if you *didn't* step down I'm damn sure that none of use would get machine access back. > I will be unable to attend the UNOFFICAL EGM on Wednesday as I have > a course on in UCD at 7.30pm so if you want to be cowardly have your > meeting then, otherwise have it at some other time in the week so I can > face up to allegations against me. I have never had a problem with you personally until Sunday, when I read this post. > Also, David Bolger and myself where in talking to Stephen Brown and > James Cotter, we both explained what happened. Stephen Brown said > that MiNDS> had nothing to do with it. Except for the fact that you ran it on the minds server, you used minds to inform users of the existence of the script and what it did. I'm pretty sure the Department of Computer Science is on our side, but the HEA net? The Department of Finance? Darragh, all I've cared about is getting this society through this alive. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Re: EGM
by David Barrett 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Cian <pooka(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: > > because we hardly want anything untrue harming any of our members, or even > > anything true harming any of our members excessively; even the one who has > > to leave us. > Are you talking about Dave Bolger? He hardly has to leave us - disusering him > for a month would be quite an adequate punishment, in my opinion. We hardly need > to ask him to leave permanently - that is really overly harsh. Additionally, I'd > hate to lose him because he is one of the more interested/technically-minded new > members. We need members like that, even if they are occasionally > over-enthusiastic and screw things up. ;o) I know, I don't want to kick him out, but until all this is sorted out (with the HEA in particular) he stays kicked out. After, we can see if we can let him back in again, but not until then. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Clarification of the Implication or Resignation
by SU Webmaster 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Hi All, Bart here, I was too lasy to log in as me so it just looks like it's from murf!!!! Any how, I was talking to Brian Gormley about the details of a resignation. If an exec resigns this resignation is effective imediatly and does NOT need to be accepted by a General meeting. I'm nearly sure there is a copy of the constitution on the Students Services or Sports office web pages. Regards, Bart Busschots, Societies Officer, NUI Maynooth SU. ==================================================== | Damian Murphy, | Webmaster Students' Union, | office: +353 1 708 3669 NUI Maynooth, | fax: +353 1 708 3876 Maynooth, | web: http://www.nuimsu.com Co. Kildare, | Ireland. | | ====================================================

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[Minds-disaster] EGM
by The Geek Goddess of Love 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

Ok everyone, relax a bit. I'm not sure what it says in the constitution about advertising general meetings, but even if it says nothing, I think it would be worth postponing the EGM for two reasons. The more notice we give people, the more likely they are to come, and since what is being discussed there is so relevent to Darragh, we should hold it some time when he can come. meaigs

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[Minds-disaster] twilight zone
by kevin hargaden 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

hey cian, kevin here. i am kind of in the twilight zone on this as i can post but i am not recieving anything into this here hotmail account. what could be the problem? i would like to be able to keep up on these points as they seem to revolve around my beautiful posters. etc etc kevin says goodbye _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #4 - 1 msg
by David Barrett 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

The Geek Goddess of Love <afrodite(a)redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 11:15:34AM +0000, David Barrett wrote: > > Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > > > THE EGM cannot be held on Wednesday, you need five days to prompt the EGM > > > and posters have to be put on the 9 designated notice boards around the > > > college according to the consitition, otherwise the EGM is unoffical > > > and no action can be take at it, the earlist time you can have EGM > > > is Friday. > > It was arranged to have the EGM on Wednesday at the emergency committee meeting on Thursday. That's 6 days. I will check this out in the constitution; once I get to read a copy. I have a letter dated from the 1st of December from the SU President making reference to the EGM on the 6th of December. That's 5 days. > > > > It has to be advertised properly, so everyone knows that it's on. > > > > > Also my resignation can be accepted until such time as there is an offical > > > EGM. > > This doesn't make any sense. It implies a change of state of your resignation after the EGM. Please clarify this. > > > he meant can't I thought so. This isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution.. I've only got a copy in the last hour, and this is effective as and from 12th of March 1987. It's the same one > > > The consitition is available in the capitation handbook, please > > > read it first. > > The first time I even heard we had a constitution was a week ago. Which capitation handbook, Darragh? I can't follow a constitution that I can't access or don't know exists. Siobhan has told me that you have the constition and the capitation handbook yourself; and I'm only finding out now. I was the Secretary and now am the Vice-Chair; both executive committee posts AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SEE IT. > > > > This is a joke, and it most certainly isn't funny. We need to give everyone access to all of our documentation ASAP. Constitution, capitation submission, sponsorship letters (on the minds system itself), etc. We can't run the society like this. > You can get a copy of the standard constitution from the clubs and socs office > in the su. Ours only has some minor changes to it, and I'm not sure there even > exists a copy of the changed version. I'm sure everyone agreed that Arthur Dents house getting knocked down in Hitchikers Guide wasn't fair, even though he could have always gone down to the planning office to check. The thing is, certain articles in this constitution have never been followed at any general meeting before, or by committee members. I'm pretty sure that the AGM didn't have a quorum of 30% plus 1. If I remember the voting record correctly, 21 people voted for the position of sysadmin. That's 8 short of a quorum of 29 from the membership figures Darragh had of 85 on the capitation submissions. I don't think 8 people abstained. And last years gathering had a turn up of around 15. Societies are run on an adhoc basis anyway. I'll talk to Bart about this. If people decide to get picky about this, there is no mention of any general meeting in the constitution of emergency status. If this does not pass as acceptable, then we can class the EGM as informal; and have a vote subject to further ratification at a true general meeting. If this does not pass, then we're stuck for another week at least. And I don't see why any member would want machine access locked out for any longer than it has to. This is the way I see it, and this is just my opinion on it: Darragh HAD to resign for us to get our machine back Sargon HAD to leave for us to get our machine back We WON'T get machine access back until we have a full committee We WON'T get machine access back until said committee meets with Stephen Brown Now, if we had the constitution on Thursday we would have followed it to the letter and had the official general meeting on Wednesday anyway. Darragh didn't raise any objections to the meeting on Thursday, only doing so on Sunday, which is a bit late. Siobhan has said that Darragh had a copy of the capitation handbook since the Clubs and Socs weekend; and I didn't know about this, Phil didn't know about this, and Siobhan only knew about it as she went on it. I've had no sleep since Thursday night over this, and it doesn't look like I'll be getting any soon now. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #5 - 3 msgs
by Darragh Sherwin 04 Dec '00

04 Dec '00

> Message: 3 > From: "David Barrett" <mindschair(a)eircom.net> > Reply-To: <mindschair(a)eircom.net> > To: minds-disaster(a)redbrick.dcu.ie > Subject: Re: [Minds-disaster] Re: Minds-disaster digest, Vol 1 #4 - 1 msg > Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:15:34 +0000 > > Darragh Sherwin <yr40017(a)cs.may.ie> wrote: > > THE EGM cannot be held on Wednesday, you need five days to prompt the EGM > > and posters have to be put on the 9 designated notice boards around the > > college according to the consitition, otherwise the EGM is unoffical > > and no action can be take at it, the earlist time you can have EGM > > is Friday. > It was arranged to have the EGM on Wednesday at the emergency committee meeting on Thursday. That's 6 days. I will check this out in the constitution; once I get to read a copy. I have a letter dated from the 1st of December from the SU President making reference to the EGM on the 6th of December. That's 5 days. You have to put up notice on the 9 designated noticeboards around the college 5 working days in advance of a meeting and seems as the first posters only went up on what seems today- Monday, the earlist you can have the meeting is Friday. > > > Also my resignation can be accepted until such time as there is an offical > > EGM. > This doesn't make any sense. It implies a change of state of your resignation after the EGM. Please clarify this. > This doesnot imply a change of minds about my resignation. rather I have things to say before I will go idlely by. > > The consitition is available in the capitation handbook, please > > read it first. > The first time I even heard we had a constitution was a week ago. Which capitation handbook, Darragh? I can't follow a constitution that I can't access or don't know exists. Siobhan has told me that you have the constition and the capitation handbook yourself; and I'm only finding out now. I was the Secretary and now am the Vice-Chair; both executive committee posts AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SEE IT. > Get your own capitation handbook off Bart, I need mine for reference. > This is a joke, and it most certainly isn't funny. We need to give everyone access to all of our documentation ASAP. Constitution, capitation submission, sponsorship letters (on the minds system itself), etc. We can't run the society like this. > > David Barrett > The few points I would like to point out is 1. Aidan Delany can not be the Acting Vice-Chair, he is not an executive member of the committee and therefore has no vote on committee decisions, Fiachra Matthews is the Acting Vice-Chair has he is next in line. 2. My letter of resignation is not an act of courage, courage is standing up to the truth in the face of all odds. My letter of resignation is an act of cowardess which I was forced into by Noel Hogan, David Barrett, Bart Busschots and Aidan Delany. I feel I have been treated like shit by these people. I helped found the society and put alot of time and effort into it for the last 2 years and when a crisis arived, I was the scape goat. I will be unable to attend the UNOFFICAL EGM on Wednesday as I have a course on in UCD at 7.30pm so if you want to be cowardly have your meeting then, otherwise have it at some other time in the week so I can face up to allegations against me. I have to attend the course in UCD there is no way I can not attend the course and it is the last night of the course. Also, David Bolger and myself where in talking to Stephen Brown and James Cotter, we both explained what happened. Stephen Brown said that MiNDS> had nothing to do with it. _____________________________ Darragh Sherwin yr40017(a)cs.may.ie

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