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[Minds-disaster] reiser fs
by Aidan Delaney 22 Aug '01

22 Aug '01

There's a great journalling file system for Linux called reiser. http://www.reiserfs.org I'va been talking to dave about it (just for home use) but thought y'all might be interested. (BTW ext2 is the "native" Linux fs) http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks/mongo/2.4.8-ext2_vs_reiserfs.html http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] Missed the AGM
by Aidan Delaney 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

Hey all, I missed the AGM (Im on work experience). Can I have an update on the start of minds> (who's who?). I noticed a message from Claire.Guider. I'm afraid I don't recognise the name. Do I know you by your handle? Anyway the beer-up should sort things out. I also vote it should be an open get together & be held in the deepest VAT in Guiness brewery. --balor http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] My 7978980989234421862 roubles: Douglas Adams was a very limited writer
by A Member of the Clan Hargaden 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

Dear List People, I have read 78 of these drivel messages (don't take it personally, but that was alot of drivel) Quite a few people were very rude, and that saddens me. Where is the Sanity? Not often enough do we ask, where is the Sanity? Sorry, I have been reading GWB policies all morning and my language now reflects his. I am writing to point out that I do not in fact receive the list and I would like to make a formal complaint that the rest of the committee are clearly conspiring to form a monopoly (or, more accurately an oligopoly) of centralised MiNDS> power. Dave sent these messages to me so that I would not be left out of the loop. Dave does that kind of thing for me very often. That is the act of a friend, and not a clique. In my non university life I spend alot of time fighting with cliques. I know we are not one. The four of us are friends and if it is not a good thing that the central committee are friends, then I have irreconcilable differences in my world view to yours. I fear that in the new term, we will not all get along so well. Water may conciously be under the bridge but bad blood may still linger. But in the interests of transperancy, and as an admirer of the utilitarian philosophy of John Stuart Mills, and as someone who knows that Scandinavian government styles work, I will now fully inform the committee of a secret meeting I held with the Chairperson/President, Mr David Barrett on Friday August 17th, 2001. It commenced on Grafton St, Dublin 1 at 13.35, directly outside the branch of Game.

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Meeting in town
by Des Traynor 21 Aug '01

21 Aug '01

I'd like to move the meeting to somewhere other than a pub. I don't think it's a suitable place for any sort of discussion - it would be too loud, and I there's the smoke. And I hear it's a crap pub too! ;) Mahaffey's? Not at all. It's very quiet. Especially on a Saturday afternoon. Empty too, probably moreso than a Cafe at the same time. So there. :o) I'd suggest a quiet Cafe, somewhere like the Joy of Coffee. We can retire to the pub after the meeting, but for the meeting itself we shouldn't hold it in a noisy, smelly place (where that smell is not coffee) Cafe is fine too, whatever. Cian I would like to go with the pub idea, and I would like to point out that I asked if we could get together , something informal, so please stop calling it a "meeting" !, or I will bring along the accounts! It has occurredd to me that Sat 1st of September, is one of U2s slane dates, (which unfortunately doesnt affect me, damn ticket touts, brennan I am looking at you!), but does it suit everyone? Who is coming? So far we have Des, Phil, Cian, Dave http://www.may.ie

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Re: [Minds-disaster] Meeting in town
by Des Traynor 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

>>Indeed. The original suggestion was to hook up and say hi, not to talk >about >>silly MiNDS stuff. So, back to the pub. ;o) >> >>Cian >Sounds like fun! > >Can I come? Absolutely, I reckon we should try and get everyone to go. Not just the people on this list, and certainly not just the committee!!! This is like a social gathering, in fact , It is a social gathering, all parties more than welcome. http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] (no subject)
by Aidan Delaney 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

Ok maybe I was taken up wrongly, I wasn't suggesting to use Apache 2.x. I was using it to illustrate the point that the web is moving twords app-server type thingies. Also, maybe the KDE2 interface is a red herring as we get look & feel for free with Java. I think J2EE is the way to go for all of it as The Nervecenter functionality like readonly news will be the same as Synapse read/write functionality with the write option removed. Obviously we will need some sort of php stuff fro the clubs & sock pages. Have a look at this (garish colors). Use batik fomr http://xml.apache.org or amaya browser form http://www.w3c.org <code> <svg width="1000" height="600"> <title>example form</title> <desc>example form with sepro widgets</desc> <defs> <linearGradient id="ApacheGradient"> <stop offset="5%" stop-color="#cccccc" /> <stop offset="95%" stop-color="#00ffff" /> </linearGradient> <radialGradient id="DbGradient" gradientUnits="userSpaceOnUse" cx="875" cy="250" r="200"> <stop offset="0%" stop-color="#ff0000" /> <stop offset="33%" stop-color="#00ff00" /> <stop offset="66%" stop-color="#0000ff" /> <stop offset="100%" stop-color="#ff0000" /> </radialGradient> </defs> <rect x="100" y="0" width="200" height="200" rx="50" fill="none" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <rect x="100" y="300" width="200" height="200" rx="50" fill="none" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <rect x="500" y="0" width="200" height="500" fill="url(#ApacheGradient)" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <rect x="800" y="0" width="150" height="500" fill="url(#DbGradient)" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <text x="100" y="100" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">Synapse</text> <text x="100" y="400" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">Nervecenter</text> <text x="500" y="100" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">J2EE</text> <text x="500" y="400" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">PHP Engine</text> <g> <line x1="300" y1="50" x2="400" y2="50" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <line x1="300" y1="100" x2="400" y2="100" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <line x1="300" y1="150" x2="400" y2="150" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <text x="300" y="30" style="font-size:15pt; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">mail</text> <text x="300" y="80" style="font-size:15pt; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">news</text> <text x="300" y="130" style="font-size:15pt; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">terminal</text> </g> <g> <line x1="300" y1="350" x2="400" y2="350" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <line x1="300" y1="400" x2="400" y2="400" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" /> <text x="300" y="330" style="font-size:15pt; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">ro/news</text> <text x="300" y="380" style="font-size:15pt; font-family:Verdana; fill:#0000ff">clubs & socs pages</text> </g> <line x1="400" y1="40" x2="500" y2="100" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" stroke-dashoffset="4px" stroke-dasharray="3 4 5" /> <line x1="400" y1="90" x2="500" y2="100" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" stroke-dashoffset="4px" stroke-dasharray="3 4 5" /> <line x1="400" y1="140" x2="500" y2="100" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" stroke-dashoffset="4px" stroke-dasharray="3 4 5" /> <line x1="400" y1="340" x2="500" y2="100" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" stroke-dashoffset="4px" stroke-dasharray="3 4 5" /> <line x1="400" y1="390" x2="500" y2="400" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" stroke-dashoffset="4px" stroke-dasharray="3 4 5" /> <text x="500" y="520" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:url(#DbGradient)">Apache + Tomcat + PHP</text> <line x1="700" y1="300" x2="800" y2="300" stroke="black" stroke-width="1" stroke-dashoffset="4px" stroke-dasharray="3 4 5" /> <text x="800" y="300" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:#000000">Database or</text> <text x="800" y="320" style="font-size:5mm; font-family:Verdana; fill:#000000">Text Files</text> </svg> </code> http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] Nervecenter/synapse
by Aidan Delaney 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

Hey all, I think we have to start working on this again. I instigated a lot of this so heres my few ideas for the moment. NerveCenter is: a place where non-Minds members can read about us/clubs&socs and the latest news. Synapse is: a secure web frontend(ssl) for minds members to use so they can read/write mail/news. IMHO (in my humble opinion) Synapse should also contain a terminal in order to further our educational goals (show people how to use UNIX), and provide for all forms of life (lowly 1st yr anthropology ---> Cian). We need some data. 1) What are we doing (what services to provide) 2) Usability studies (Jackob Nielsen (personally I don't like him), GNOME usability studies...) 3) How to provide them (php,perl,postgreSQL -- J2ee/Apache/Jakarta) Personally I think I know what we're doing & It should be beered up at our beer. Sorry, spoken about at beer our beer beer beer. Can't beer out beer. I am in favour of using a KDE2 type interface as it may help any new Linux users (KDE2 is the default WM on RH, SuSE and Mandrake). I also like the idea of J2ee on Jakarta. I know people say it is slow, but it is the future. If we can implement a clean design (Design Patterns ISBN 0-201-63361-2 Addison-Wesley) we get the following. # readable code # maintainable code # extensible functionality # portable code (java) # security (j2ee authentication model) and AFAIK (as far as I know) apache 2.0 is an app server( for those of you who don't know, the whole web model seems to be changing from pushing HTML to providing web services, thus WSDL, XML, etc...) I've done a lot of web stuff for Ericsson, Sepro, and a few other companies, so I'm not talking through my arse. However this is only my opinion and I'd like people to think about this. Could Dave & Cian (particulary, not exclusively) comment on this, as I knoe Dave is a php hacker & Cian is the Chosen one. Lastly, If we are going to use a db package could we use MySql as I don't think we'll ever need transactions and MySql is easier. --balor http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] Fw: Minds
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

Looks like we don't need to worry about financing the firewall... it's probably the Cisco Pix 506 that James Cotter has been setting up for quite some time for the minds.cs.may.ie machine. Here's a snippet from an email from John Keating. From: "Dr. John Keating" <john.keating(a)may.ie> <snip> > Stephen Brown has agreed to buy (or give) us a Hardware Firewall so > that is good news. <snip> David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Fw: Status of Minds on the University Network
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

Got this from John O'Connell just now... deleted the end of the email where my previous email was quoted (like his is here). It's quite encouraging. Just so people don't jump the gun on the "productive arrangement" part, think about it from their perspective first! :) Personally, I think we can have a VERY productive working relationship next year, with the roll out of Nervecenter/Synapse, Nervecenter in particular. Which reminds me, I better get some work done on the scripts for that, and TechIreland. We better organise a Nervecenter development team, by the way. People on the team will need to have a good head for Perl, PHP, PostgreSQL or webdesign. I'll go into it in more detail in another email... I'm kind of in work, with sort of deadlines, if you catch my drift! ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John O'Connell" <John.OConnell(a)may.ie> To: "David Barrett" <mindschair(a)eircom.net> Cc: <JOHN.KEATING(a)MAY.IE> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Status of Minds on the University Network > David, > > Thanks for responding. > > > John Keating is very busy but he is giving your requirements a high priority. > > > I look forward to a more productive arrangement for future years. > > Regards John O Connell.

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[Minds-disaster] Meeting in town
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

I'd like to move the meeting to somewhere other than a pub. I don't think it's a suitable place for any sort of discussion - it would be too loud, and I there's the smoke. And I hear it's a crap pub too! ;) I'd suggest a quiet Cafe, somewhere like the Joy of Coffee. We can retire to the pub after the meeting, but for the meeting itself we shouldn't hold it in a noisy, smelly place (where that smell is not coffee) I still think we should all meet up, whether or not the CC have called off this meeting (it wasn't clear, but it seemed fairly certain). We've all got to sit down and talk about things. David Barrett Grand Master of Funk

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