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Re: [Minds-disaster] Opinions
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

>BTW, is Commie Dave still on the list? As far as i know yes! Bon _______________________________________ "So long, and thanks for all the fish" 20 email addresses from 15,000 domain names - free at http://www.another.com

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Re: [Minds-disaster] RE: [Minds-disaster] Stop
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

>I don't agree to disagree with you. I agree with you. How many times do I >have to make my point? Okay point taken! >No problem. We have received little extra input on this point (it seems to >be between me and you, with Bart saying one thing about ?Kevin shouldn't >replace Siobhan? a while back, which is a given). This is something that >must be discussed. I dont remember that! So the main thing now is what? Just to clarify? >Ooh! Ooh! I can set up the freebie version of UBB! I'll do it tommorrow >night (it's getting late, and I have to go home eventually). grand so! Dave, I would like to go and because im not doing much more than sitting on my ass here im free too :) Could you remind again about date? Bon _______________________________________ "So long, and thanks for all the fish" 20 email addresses from 15,000 domain names - free at http://www.another.com

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RE: [Minds-disaster] This is all a bit silly in myopin
by Des Traynor 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

Bart wrote: Des, The vast majority of your points are very valid indeed, this list has at times sunk to rather low levels. // > Finally I believe that Bart has let this get to him a little bit >much. I dislike the way he called Andy an "ungreatfull fat Bastard" when >Andy said he didn't like the arrangement ( we are all entitled to our own >opinion ) // <snip> Just to say , I hope I cleared this up with Bart, and I will withdraw the above comments, and whatever else I said about him, I think it was just a case of me reading 38 emails too quickly, and mayhap getting a wrong impression of what he was saying. I have already pointed out to Bart, that in my opinion his input on the list is very valuable, and necessary, and for this reason I hope he stays with it. Thanks. Des

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[Minds-disaster] This is all a bit silly in my opinion
by Des Traynor 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

Hey guys , I hope you are all enjoying your summer, and not letting this shite getting you down too much!. I just thought I better write something to this list, seeing as my name is being mentioned so much. I came back from the Witnness festival on Monday morning, and after getting some sleep , I decided to check my email, and lo and behold there was 46 emails sitting there, 38 of which were related to the minds-disaster. ( a very adequate name I must say! ) These emails were for the most part absolute drivel (note those four words, for the most part, and bear them in mind before you attack me for saying that "ALL THE EMAILS WERE SHITE" etc.) Every email was basically identical, in that the words used in each were the same , with sarcy comments, or insults added at the ended of each , which to me is about as constructive as a lecture from Tom Lysaght its also confusing trying to work out who said what) , Some of the bullshit ( there's no other word for it) nearly had me packing my bags, and resigning. But of late ,, thanks to some calming words, this has changed. 1. Siobhan clearly wants to attend the meeting, so it is my opinion that she should come along. I believe this is much easier than generating long-winded arguments about what positions signify importance, and pulling rank on each other. I don't really think the CC are gonna shit themselves when they hear, that both Dave and Siobhan are going to the meeting. Its not really a drastic display of power, its just some people going to a meeting. From what Bart says they sound like level headed people, and I reckon they will not see any huge significance in who attends. This ends my argument on that topic. Please don't add any pointless remarks at the end of it. I wont be drawn in to this child-like retort-contest. 2. I do not believe that there exists an exclusive MiNDS clique as such, but I do see what Siobhan is getting at. I think however the language she used to express was unfair. Phil, Kev , Dave and I hang out together, sometimes we talk about MiNDS when we are bored usually ), and we come up with ideas for Socials, Plans of action, even thoughts about the future of the society. That is not going to change ( I hope ) However when we have full meetings we discuss these thoughts, For example the idea of a minds CD was first put forward in the canteen. It was suggested at the next meeting. One day we decided it would be nice to have a table quiz (everyone else does it). This was also suggested at a meeting. That's how it works, it appears to be a clique because the committee are all friends ( or at least they were at some stage). Sorry if this upsets anyone, but its not really that bad a situation to be in, it is better than being a group of people who only see each other at MiNDS meetings in my opinion. To the best of my recollection no important decision has been made without proper consultation with all of the committee. Finally I believe that Bart has let this get to him a little bit much. I dislike the way he called Andy an "ungreatfull fat Bastard" when Andy said he didn't like the arrangement ( we are all entitled to our own opinion ) And in his (misunderstood) argument with Phil , he called him a "little undergrad" who was talking "through his ass", I thought he was being unfair. I would also point out that we are all undergrads here, and all of us bar Bart still will be in September. These comments were unfair in my opinion. That is all that I have to say on the matters. I do ( along with Aidan ), beg you to read everything thoroughly before writing back. Please only write back when necessary, and leave out the little smart remarks, they only cause aggravation. Thank you for your time Des ------------------------------------------ "God gave us two ears and one mouth in the hope that we use them in that ratio" -------------------------------------------

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Re: [Minds-disaster] RE: [Minds-disaster] Stop
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

>As I have said: >* It is a public relations exercise (with a particular subsection of the >public... college staff). >* The portfolio distinctions are lessened in importance because of how >critical this meeting is. For example, Des has been considered... but he's >the treasurer. I have already put down that i think that i consider this more than a pr exercise. (agree to disagree on that one) Des, even though he is treasurer, would still be a better choice than Kevin. And i have given reasons for this so i hope i wont have to go into that again! > >I still don't think that you're needed, or that you will be any better at >the meeting than Kevin or Des. Thank you for volunteering though. I think that Bart would be a benefit to minds at this meeting. Noel has already talked to the CC about webpages so the union has already brought it up and Bart would be there as (present or past -- its still not clear) Socs officer and I do agree that he would be able to sing praises better than us, tell them how important we are! AS well as that, he's good at argueing and at listening, he's been at important meetings before and knows what hes doing. I think that he should be there! > >I'd also like everyone to discuss this, as I think me and Bart are the only >two to actually say anything about the possibility of Bart's involvement. > I thought that Aiden brought it up (willing to admit im not sure who did ) along with a few other good points that i agree with. >Should this be called the Common Time scenario? The lack of a >common >timeframe for interaction is the reason this is a bad idea. You'll only >get >some of the group participating, not all. I agree with Dave, I think a bullitin board would be best. I know that i can only be online from 6 in the evening, unless its a weekend. I know there are some people who can be on all day but I have to pay for my phone bill! For my two cents: 1) dave 2) bart 3) cian 4) to be decided! Bon _______________________________________ "So long, and thanks for all the fish" Email just got more fun @ another.com http://another.com

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Message board
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

>Thanks Andy. I'd recommend, however, that people keep on the list, at least >for now. I'm going to install vBulletin Lite on RB tonight (it's free and >legit) to see if it has the ability to only allow access to approved users >(so we only get the committee on board for the committee forum, for >example). I know vBulletin 2.0.1 does, which is VERY nice. but how does it work? Ive never worked with it before! also if youre gonna do that, are you going to give us the password? > >It also has polls, and I'll see if it has the option to limit one vote per >user (good for a vote). > Bon _______________________________________ "So long, and thanks for all the fish" 20 email addresses from 15,000 domain names - free at http://www.another.com

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Message board
by David Barrett 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

Bugger. vB LITE isn't that good. The full version rocks though. Anyone got $160? :-) Seriously though, the list should be used, and Andy's board too. David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Stop
by Aidan Delaney 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

Ok people. Stop. Stop. Let the foam die down. I think everyone is getting a little worked up. I have proposed that this is a little more than a PRO meeting. Dave disagrees. I have proposed that we send our top 2 elected representatives + a techie. Dave disagrees. Dave suggests we send our Chair, PRO and a technical person. He has good reasons for this as he believes this to be nothing more than a PRO meeting. Here is where the disagreement lies. Is this meeting a PRO excercise, or more than that? I believe it to be more than a PRO excercise as it's our first good face-to-face meeting with the CC since the EVENT. I also believe we should be treating this meeting as more than a PRO event. It is a serious policy meeting. Please stop this anomosity. If anyone has nothing good to say please don't say it. We're going to have to come up with a team for this meeting from the people who read the list. Could people write back and tell us wheather they 1. believe this to be a PRO meeting or not 2. Who should go. I don't think this list is the best place to discuss everything. I think we have to formalise an interactive meeting place that we can use even if minds is down. I think the IRC (internet relay chat) idea is good. What do y'all think. --me http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] Apologies for repeating [extended]
by Aidan Delaney 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

Hey all, I apologise If I repeat anything anyone else says. I havn't had time to read ALL of the posts. I believe the MINDS> executive (not being part of It myself) has preformed well over the past year. Personally being non-executive sysadmin I felt left out of the loop once or twice, but related this to dave & phil who immediatly apologised and put me in the loop. There seems to be a lot of bickering (from all sides) going on on a list that we should be DISCUSSING on. Please stop. Siobhan may feel that she has not been privy to some of the decision making & as VC that's a big disadvantage to US the committee and the users. I believe now is the time to formalise some method of virtual meeting. As the only committee member not in college (work experience) I know that this will benefit you guys next year. Ok back to business, which 3 people (i presume we settled on 3) should go to the CC meeting. I think 1. Dave (he's President) 2. Siobhan (she's Vice Chair) 3. Cian or Phil (Phil is exec-sysadmin and Cian knows loads) 4. Bart as SU rep (in SU capacity) This meeting (I believe) differs from a normal PRO excercise. If it was only a PRO excercise we should only send our PRO (who has a lot more responsibilites than putting up posters IMHO) and our webmaster, who is our main information disseminator. We should be sending our top two elected representitives and a competent systems expert (both Phil and Cian fit the bill). Is there anyone who dosn't want to be sent to the meeting? Lastly, could we please keep bickering and electioneering (from all sides) untill we get back next year. This will give me a quiet summer and allow ALL MINDS> members including new 1st yrs to join in. It will be fun to have a good open election for the executive next year. <IMPLORE>please everyone, keep a level head</IMPLORE> yours etc.. Aidan (balor) http://www.may.ie

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Re: [Minds-disaster] A word!
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

I've kept out of this so far, because quite frankly it is a load of bollox. >However, there apparently is a ?monopoly? in existence. I wasn't aware of >this. I'm not going to debate that! There was and i know people who agree with me and thats all i have to say on that matter! >I didn't see you doing >anything, but hey you were busy. Yes i was! Who went to brian and explained why we wanted our elections next year? And then persuaded him why it was a good idea? Who talked to Noel about Minds? He tried to help us get back up and talk to the CC about us! >It was up to you. If you had actually said >anything (and I'm not referring to this meeting), it would have been >listened to. Well ... at least i dont go around beating people over the heads with plastic axes! As to members, we do need suggestions. But i think that this should come after the meeting with the CC We need to know what is going to be happening with Minds before we can decide what to do about that! Will we be up and running or will we still be down! if we're down we have to focus more on events than networking naturally! So what events? Are we still giving out the disks and what is the final content of them? Are they even ready to be burned? Has Dave got access to the stuff? If not, do we want to spring for freebies and entice members that way? Bon _______________________________________ "So long, and thanks for all the fish" Express yourself @ another.com http://another.com

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