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[Minds-disaster] Fw: Minds
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

Message to John Keating ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barrett" <mindschair(a)eircom.net> To: <john.keating(a)may.ie> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: Minds > Hi John, > > I've just received, and replied to, an email from John O'Connell (which I > think was CC'd to you). He wants me to redirect all inquiries (with regards > to Minds) to you. > > I'm sorry I haven't been in touch lately - I've been quite busy in work for > the last month and a half; which is something, as a student, I'm not used to > ;) - but I'd like to thank you for all the help you've given the society. > I'm certain we would not have gotten so far without your help. From what > I've seen of the proposed access rights to the TIE/Minds machine, it's > pretty much everything we want. Bart's been keeping us informed through the > minds-disaster list on redbrick (set up at the time of the withdrawal of > service and the Minds political headaches). > > With regards to the firewall mentioned, what would you have in mind? Bart > was saying that it would cost approximately £1000, but we might be able, if > it is okay with you, to use a pre-existing machine to run a firewall (a P200 > with FreeBSD running IPSec, for example). I'll have to discuss this with my > committee, but it would be a lot cheaper than £1000. The price, however, > indicates something like a Cisco Pix 506 - which runs on a P200 if I recall > correctly. with 2x 10Mb NICs. A machine could be optained for a lot cheaper > that might do the job better. > > Bart wasn't clear whether such a piece of equipment was what you were > suggesting to meet their needs, or if they requested it. Can you clarify > this for me? > > If a Cisco Pix or similar Cisco kit is required, I might be able to acquire > it at a discount; as I work in a Cisco resellers. With regards to money, > Minds unfortunately has very little left, but I might be able to supply some > personally (I need to talk to Brian Gormley about this, as Bart wasn't too > sure this was allowed, particularly not if I was lending the money). It > *might* also be possible for us to secure some sort of loan; I'll get Des > Traynor (Treasurer) to look into this, and also to figure out how much we > can afford as is. > > Cian Synnott also drafted up some network policy documents WAY back, for us > to bring to the CC. Would you be interested in looking over them? > > I'd also like to know the chances of Minds getting some sort of operational > server (our existing machine or the new E450) for logging into by Fairs Day > (the second week in October I think). We'd need SSHD, a news server + reader > and the "hey" program ( http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~c-hey ) installed at a > minimum for this... these being the most used programs on Minds at any time > ;) > > Once again, thanks a lot for your help. If there's anything you need, just > give me an email at mindschair(a)eircom.net (I have my work machine set up to > auto-check it every minute) and I'll get right back to you. > > Regards, > > David Barrett > Chairperson, Minds > mindschair(a)eircom.net >

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[Minds-disaster] Fw: Status of Minds on the University Network
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

Reply to John O'Connell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Barrett" <mindschair(a)eircom.net> To: "John O'Connell" <John.OConnell(a)may.ie> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Status of Minds on the University Network > From: "John O'Connell" <John.OConnell(a)may.ie> > > You are aware of the reason for the withdrawal of the minds server last > year. > > > > The University would like to see some service in place that would meet > your > > needs. > I am aware of the reason for the withdrawal of network access from the Minds > server. However, we did not wish to arrange a meeting to discuss the > reasoning behind the withdrawal of network access, but rather to clarify the > future status of Minds on the University network; and under which conditions > we could have such access re-established, if at all. > > I am quite glad that the University is interested in supporting the society > in some manner, subject to your requirements. We were hoping to discuss both > these requirements, and what services we'd be able to offer our members, in > the meeting; but I will in future talk to Dr. Keating about this. > > > Dr. John Keating is developing a possible solution to the problem snd all > > future enquiries should be referred to him. > Shall I take it that the meeting referred to in previous emails is not to > take place? I'd just like to clarify this point. > > > I will work with John and support the establishment of a minds style > server > > when I am convinced that the users of any such system will comply with the > > University Policy on Responsible Computing, The Code of Conduct for users > > of University Computing Facilities and the Heanet Acceptable Use Policy. > Would you like us to distribute said regulations to new members on Fairs > Day? We are currently finalising a "membership pack" for next year, and > these could be included in it quite easily, either in physical (printed) > form, electronic form (on a CD), or both. > > > A recurrance of anything like the previous problem would be regarded as a > > serious matter and treated accordingly. > Understood. > > If you want to discuss anything else with me, or need any information from > Minds, I am happy to so either directly or through Dr. Keating; and hope to > help out as best I can. > > David Barrett > Chairperson, Minds > mindschair(a)eircom.net >

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Fw: Status of Minds on the University Network
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

From: "Bart Busschots" <bart.busschots(a)e-merge.ie> > I guess this puts an end to our arguments over who should go to see the > CC. Thank god. > I do however find this deeply worrying. If they won't even talk to us then > I really think they need an attitude adjustment. Although I'd prefer for them to meet with us directly, look at the language used, and what is said, in the email. It seems rather positive. > I guess the only good side to this is that JK will be able to get us a very > good deal but still it's not exactly the most curtious thing to do and certainly > justifies and suppliments my already less than positive view on John O'Connel > & the CC as a whole. Personally, I'm quite pleased with the email. Their "attitude" towards us seems to have improved since John Keating has talked to them about us. You'll notice the following sentences: "The University would like to see some service in place that would meet your needs" -- look at what is being said here. "I will work with John and support the establishment of a minds style server when I am convinced that the users of any such system will comply with the University Policy on Responsible Computing, The Code of Conduct for users of University Computing Facilities and the Heanet Acceptable Use Policy." -- and here too. They will *support* an establishment of the server when they are convinced that we'll follow the rules, rules we're supposed to follow anyway (and the two people who I know haven't have been dealt with accordingly - Darragh Sherwin (for ".kill.pl" and ".killer.pl") and David Bolger (for that stupid email thing) ). All we need to do is to convince them we'll follow the rules... and with Phil and Cian also on the case I'm sure we can bar people from breaking the rules (or at least the major ones, and prevent the rest through education). I think the main thing they'd be worried about is something like this happening: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/encyclopedia/encyc.cgi?heading=s&file=spike.encyc David Barrett

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[Minds-disaster] Fw: Status of Minds on the University Network
by David Barrett 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

Right, I got this a few minutes ago: ----- Original Message ----- From: "John O'Connell" <John.OConnell(a)may.ie> To: <mindschair(a)eircom.net> Cc: <Eberhard.Albrecht(a)may.ie>; <JOHN.KEATING(a)MAY.IE>; <Stephen.Brown(a)may.ie>; <Dervilla.McKeith(a)may.ie>; <James.Cotter(a)may.ie> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: Status of Minds on the University Network > David, > > Your recent e-mails on the above has been referred to me. > > You are aware of the reason for the withdrawal of the minds server last year. > > The University would like to see some service in place that would meet your > needs. > > Dr. John Keating is developing a possible solution to the problem snd all > future enquiries should be referred to him. > > I will work with John and support the establishment of a minds style server > when I am convinced that the users of any such system will comply with the > University Policy on Responsible Computing, The Code of Conduct for users > of University Computing Facilities and the Heanet Acceptable Use Policy. A > recurrance of anything like the previous problem would be regarded as a > serious matter and treated accordingly. > > > Regards John O Connell > > > >

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Re: [Minds-disaster] UBB
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 14 Aug '01

14 Aug '01

well ... if we cant afford the full version why do we really need one! this has been good enough up till now or the board andy set up! either would really do the job IMO! Bon -----Original Message-----

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[Minds-disaster] UBB
by David Barrett 13 Aug '01

13 Aug '01

Feck that. UBB Lite sucks. It only allows 1000 page views total, 30 users and 50 posts *TOTAL*. Argh. Personally, I don't see the point in a BB, but still ;) David

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[Minds-disaster] How about....
by Des Traynor 12 Aug '01

12 Aug '01

I like the way I have been voted off the meeting attendees guest list, but hey I'm not too worried. As long as my place is being given to cian, its ok. Cian, you should come into maynooth, and we can have a chat about the whole thing. Just to clarify, the whole thing being the last few months, not this meeting lark. As for the meeting, well if the same mentality, and rebuttal style is used there, as is used on this list god help us. Some severe relaxing should be done between now and then. A real time talk is needed, if not face to face, well at least some form of internet chat. IRC would be good, we can just make a minds channel on irc.phishy.net Or any kind of internet chat, I'm not too pushed. I would like to add that I think we should meet up at a day/time thats suits the majority, just if nothing to say hi to one another and laugh about how bickery this all got at one point. But seriously I think a quick 5 minute chat would sort out what it seems to have taken us the better part of 2 weeks to get even close to sorting out. ( then again, there is no such thing as a 5 minute MiNDS meeting) Plus I miss all you guys!!! What does everyone reckon Your friendly trea$urer Des //// Guy walks into bar with a lump of shit in his hand and says, "Hey guys , look what I nearly stepped in! " //// (just trying to put everyone in my good humor)

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[Minds-disaster] DMZ
by Aidan Delaney 10 Aug '01

10 Aug '01

Hey all, In work we're talking about setting up a DMZ type perimeter for our firewall. Does anyone (Cian or Phil :) know much about this. External Network | | eth0| --------------- | | Server Network (DMZ) | |eth2 | |---------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --------------- -------- ------- ------- | eth1 | SMTP | | DNS | | WWW | | -------- ------- ------- | (public ips) | Internal Network I believe this is how it works. It would be cool as it might strengthen our arguement with the CC and members would get to play around with some cool security stuff. http://www.may.ie

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[Minds-disaster] Opinions
by Cian 10 Aug '01

10 Aug '01

Hello everyone. Well, I must say that I'm in rather a bad frame of mind right now. Between news that the CC are putting up further strange obstacles to JK's work ('adequate virus protection'? Sheesh) on the techie side of things, and all this bad blood on the personal side, it's hard to stay enthusiastic about MiNDS. No point in my moping, however - back to business! First of all, I'd like to address the tone of this list of late. People have been arguing heatedly with very little reason. We all care about MiNDS, we all are doing our best to make sure that we can make it a viable society once again, and unfortunately people are getting very emotional. We've got to remember that we're working towards the same goal. Please try to be a little calmer when reading mails on the list. If something really annoys you, try to remember not to respond immediately. And when you do respond, try to be businesslike about it. It's easy to ignore things that bother you. While we do all have personalities, perhaps cut down on comments that you personally think are funny. The text medium makes it very easy to misinterpret humour. Secondly, the issue of who goes to the meeting. It's obvious that the chair should go. I think it's fair to say that the VC should go too; it's very apparent that Siobhan does want to be there, and there is little to choose between our VC and our PRO going. The Computer Centre are unlikely to even bat an eyelid at our choice, so it really isn't as big a deal as we're all making out. People also seem to be of the opinion that I should go. While I do want to be there, keep in mind that I'm not even on the committee, nor was I a student this year. Thirdly, I have some questions which I think we've all forgotten about. What is the agenda at this meeting? Are we instigating it? Have we let the CC know what we want to talk about? When is it going to be? What should we bring/not bring to the table? Is anything actually up for discussion here, or are we going to sit opposite them and try to think of what to say? What happened to the documents we put together earlier in the year? It might be worth forwarding my policy documents to JK - he might be able to use some of the work I did on those. So. Let's try to keep our goal in sight: MiNDS, up and running as an entity approved by the college, in whatever form that eventually is. It may take a long time and many administrations before we have what we would term a reasonable level of access, but we've got to work with what we have. Some is better than none. And while we may not all be friends, let's try to keep this professional. Cian -- "There's one thing that computing teaches you, and that's that there's no point to remembering *everything*. Being able to *find* things is what's important." - Dan, Microserfs

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Re: [Minds-disaster] Opinions
by honeybear＠cuddle.co.uk 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

Dave isnt subscribed anymore The people getting the list are meaigs, andy, bart, rory, me, dave, phil, cian, sorcha, des, aiden, fiachra, su president and su webmaster and kevin. Just to clarify. Bon _______________________________________ "So long, and thanks for all the fish" Be passionate about your email Just click here: http://another.com

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